PP 346: Lisa Thomas, Owner of Beyond Cellular Healings

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Kim Sutton: Welcome back to another episode of Positive Productivity. This is your host, Kim Sutton. I’m so happy to have you here today. I’m thrilled to introduce our guest, Lisa Thomas. Lisa is the owner of Beyond Cellular Healings. Oh, my gosh, tongue twister for me first thing in the morning, probably not for anybody else. But Lisa is the owner of Beyond Cellular Healings. And Lisa, I’m so happy to have you here.

Lisa Thomas: Well, the feeling is mutual, Kim.

Kim Sutton: Thank you so much. You know your story better than anybody else, so I would love it if you would share a little bit of your background and how you got to where you are today.

Lisa Thomas: All right. I am an energy healer. I like to call myself an energy practitioner because I believe the body does the healing. I just helped facilitate releasing the blocks of it. So I was born with natural gifts that I didn’t know what to do with until I got older in life. And so I got here by virtue of following my intuition, and everybody has intuition. I love releasing blocks that are preventing people from feeling positive, and trusting your intuition.

Kim Sutton: Wow.

Lisa Thomas: Does that answer your question?

Kim Sutton: I love it. Yeah. And I want it like I want to know more, though. Well, I just had to tell you why I’m so intrigued. I was raised Catholic in western New York, and nobody talked about intuition. I mean, I heard about female intuition, and I would have gut feelings. Maybe it was just my family. It was just never anything that was talked about, this is what you do. This is why you do it because I said so. And it’s taking me all my willpower sometimes to not say it because I said so to my kids.

Lisa Thomas: It’s very stifling when we do that, and I was raised the same way. Oh, absolutely. I was raised in that strict, and there isn’t anything wrong with religion, by the way. It’s a guideline, but can do when parents are wanting the best for us is to stifle who we are. So as a child growing up, I was always taught that if I were to use my spiritual gifts in charge of them, I would lose them. And so I never knew what to do with them. And it was a burden for me as a child. So I can see, I can hear, they’re called Clair’s. Clair adient, Clair sensory, it’s just their spiritual gifts, and everybody has certain ones. So as a child, I could see people that have passed on, I can hear ancestors, and I can tell when someone isn’t healthy. I don’t specialize in that now, seen when people aren’t healthy. Don’t walk up to somebody and say, oh, by the way, you need to go to the doctor. But as a child, my mother would always say to meet Lisa. Because I would tell her, mom, their skin is healthy. That’s how I would say it. And she would always tell me to be quiet because she was trying to protect me. 

But me as a little girl, I took that on as, I wasn’t safe being who I am, and I wasn’t okay with who I was. Like I wasn’t going to be accepted, and so I went through my life really bullied as a child because I was so timid. I was really afraid of my own shadow. So it took me as an adult going through really a transformation of wanting to get healthy, and I began following this hobby of mine of getting just certified in different holistic things. Not forever having an intention of having a business with it, but just because it fed my soul is kind of what I did naturally. And then I was alright, I was reading this book, and I loved this book that I was reading. I went to put it on my shelf and I heard, Lisa, get certified in this particular thing. And I speak out loud a lot. I’m talking to myself, to people that don’t know me and I’m like, I have so many certifications. I’m really okay, I don’t need it. I believe in this author, I think he’s a great author, he knows a lot about Kinesiology, and he was already certified in Kinesiology. And I heard again Kim, just do it. 

Now, when we’re following our intuition, and we get that prompting whether it’s a gut feeling, or we hear a voice like I did, and we feel that prompting to do it, that’s positive. That’s what we want to follow,  those positive feelings. I went and I got certifiable. There was something different about this certification, that in order to finish after I took the test, I had to work with 30 people. Well, there aren’t very many certification programs out there, at least then that you had to work on people. Well, that changed my life. I went through a huge fear, and I wanted to shut down because I did not want to work on people, I did not want to have to do that. I did not want to have to tell people who I was. But it changed my life, because I realized that this is why I hear people’s ancestors. I can morph everything I’ve done over the past 20 years, and certifications, and be in integrity with who I am, and help other people. And that’s really what I’m about. I love helping people.

Kim Sutton: Oh, I love so many pieces of this, all the pieces, but so many pieces. And I need to share a little backstory, I have chronic idea disorder, is what I call it. I get ideas all the time, and I know that so many entrepreneurs do. But I found a point in my life when I couldn’t talk about what that was like for me. Because I told my ex mother in law one time that I felt like I was on the New York City subway system, and there were just all these things racing around in my head all the time. So automatically, I must have racing thoughts and belong in the mental hospital.

Lisa Thomas: Ah, so you went there? Oh, girl.

Kim Sutton: I did actually go to the mental hospital in 2008, which was just prior to her telling me this. But it’s funny, I told her this in the way that I found out that she was alarmed by it, because my ex husband and I were in marriage counseling and it came up in a session. Mom says, you belong back in the mental hospital again. And I was like, well, maybe mom should be here because I have a few words.

Lisa Thomas: Yeah.

Kim Sutton: But it wasn’t anything like that. And listeners, if this is your first episode that you’re listening to, there are episodes about actually why I was in the mental hospital. And it wasn’t anything actually mental, it was sleep deprivation and an issue with my thyroid. It’s totally, and I’m not saying that there’s anything wrong with the mental hospital. If you need to be there for any reason, then you need to be there. I got treated with drugs I didn’t need. But I do agree with you, my faith is still really important to me. I’m not Catholic anymore. I do have my Christian faith, but I do believe into intuition. And I do follow my gut, probably sometimes more than I should because I do get into a little trouble once in a while. But don’t we all?

Lisa Thomas: It’s what life is about. We cannot be perfect. It’s a false belief. It just puts too much pressure, and we’re not supposed to be perfect. And by the way, who likes to be around a perfect person? Nobody.

Kim Sutton: Oh, definitely not.

Lisa Thomas: Nobody likes to be, because they’re too rigid. They can’t make a mistake. They can’t laugh at themselves for the most part. It’s not fun to be around someone that’s perfect.

Kim Sutton: Totally agree. Yeah. And I used to think that I did want to be that perfect person. I mean, up until all the first three and a half years of my business, I rarely posted on social media. I kept to myself just because I didn’t feel like everybody else who I thought was perfect. And I went through my own journey and realized, wow, people show what they want to show on social media. They’ll show the pretty pictures of makeup, but what’s really going on in the background? So where is your journey, so you got certified?

Lisa Thomas: I did.

Kim Sutton: Say the word again, kin–

Lisa Thomas: Kinergetics. So kinergetic, kinesiology is a form of muscle testing. And how that has benefited me is just because I hear an ancestor. So let me explain. Let me backtrack just a second. There are certain ways that things get trapped in our body and ident, and we take that on as an identifying factor of who we are. And it’s true, we inherit our gifts, talents and wonderful qualities from our lineage. But unfortunately, we also inherit the negative which is like traumas, and fears, phobias, anxiety, things like that. And they get passed down through our cell memory, just like we inherit physical qualities, we inherit emotional qualities. But we don’t have to keep those, especially the negative ones. And we always have the choice if we don’t want to. If we have a gift of music and we choose not to practice the piano or something, that we always have a choice. Life is about having free agency. So we inherit qualities from our parents, and they didn’t do anything. They didn’t pass them down to us on purpose, and we didn’t do anything wrong to inherit them. So I can hear an ancestor during a session say, oh, it’s abandonment. So Kim, do I have time to share a story about how something can get trapped?

Kim Sutton: Oh, I’m so okay.

Lisa Thomas: Okay. So let’s say that mom forgot you in kindergarten, and the emotion of abandonment trapped. You kind of go through life and your end up in therapy, and you figure out, okay, mom really loved me. Maybe she was having a hard day, maybe she was PTA president, and you felt like everybody else came before you. Or maybe she had a problem with depression or alcohol. But the point is cognitive. You figure out why she forgot you, and it makes sense to you. But if the emotion, that vibration attached to the word abandoned is not released from the body, then what will happen is you attract people into your life who have the same similar vibration. So one of you will end up abandoning the other. The other way, it can happen is it gets turned inward, and we abandon ourselves. So we’ll abandon our hopes and dreams. And there’s different ways we can do that. 

So every word in the dictionary has a vibration attached to it. Like love has the highest vibration, and we always want to be vibrating at a high vibration. And then shame is the lowest vibration. Abandonment falls in that low category than the others. That’s where the mind can trap it. Now most often, emotions trap because we inherited it first. Not always, but the subconscious doesn’t know the positive from the negative. It just knows what we believe. And so if you inherited an emotion of abandonment, because maybe your grandfather left your grandmother, or somebody 23 generations back, something happened. Maybe the town abandoned them in some way. Then your subconscious is going to say, yep, that’s who you are, people are always going to abandon you. 

So for this client that came to me, she’d been to therapy, and I do have therapists that refer to me. And what had happened was her boyfriend was in Vegas and he said at a business conference, and he said to her, hey, I’ll text you in a couple hours when I’m done. Well, hidden text. So she was on the phone with her mother at like 2:15 and texted her, he’s not my guy anymore. And your mom was like, well, why? Well, he hasn’t texted me. Well, fast forward a couple hours. And he called her from somebody else’s phone and said: “Look, I had to borrow someone’s phone because mine was stolen.” Because of that abandoned feeling, she couldn’t roll with anything out of the box. She automatically felt he was off cheating, he wasn’t doing what he was said he was going to be doing.

Kim Sutton: That could set her up for her whole life.

Lisa Thomas: It was. It had set her up for that. So to kinesiology, even though I can hear what an ancestor said, okay, because when I release it from the client, it releases it from them. So oftentimes, they come in gratitude, and they like to see this process. If you have children, it releases for your children if they inherited it. And not every child is going to inherit the same emotion, and it’ll show up differently for different people. But through kinesiology, I am able to muscle test my client. I muscle test my own self so that somebody’s arm doesn’t get sore while they hold it out. And I’m testing for the yes and the no. But that way, their body will always trust me, and it releases it according to that because your subconscious is protecting you all the time. It’s protecting you. And so if the subconscious will give me what I need, then it allows me to go deeper with my client than me just trusting my intuition. And then the body heals automatically as it’s released.

Kim Sutton: You’re talking about muscle testing, and I’m thinking about putting my thumb and my middle finger together and pulling down, telling myself something, is that similar?

Lisa Thomas: Yes, it is.

Kim Sutton: Okay. Because I would love, listeners, I don’t think I’ve ever shared this. My parents had very different economic situations when I was growing up, and they were divorced. And one of them was very well off, and the other one not so much. And the one who wasn’t, whenever money would come in, it would go out very fast. Not necessarily because of bills that had to be paid, but maybe a little bit more frivolous spending. Oh, I have money. Let’s spend it.

Lisa Thomas: Ah, yes, yes.

Kim Sutton: So the economic situation didn’t change very much. Because even if a bigger lump of money came in, it always went right back out. And I’ve noticed, and this is being me. Let me try that again. Me being very transparent or authentic here. But I’ve noticed that same thing with my husband and I, that we will come into larger sums of money. And because both of us were raised in a little bit more of economic hardship, we both have that tendency to do it. And I’ve actually, well, I get harder on my husband when he does it than I do on myself. It’s like, just because there’s money in the bank doesn’t mean we need to spend it, but I find myself doing the same thing. He’ll go and buy a couple extra packs of cookies just because, hey, we can spend the money.

Lisa Thomas: Yeah, and that’s an inherited pattern, and you picked up on it. Absolutely.

Kim Sutton: I want to know how to break it because it drives me crazy.

Lisa Thomas: I’m doing a whole series this month on clearing inherited money blocks seriously. Uh huh. Last week was in clearing inherited. And yeah, why don’t I figure out a way to gift it to your audience? How’s that?

Kim Sutton: That would be absolutely amazing. And just so I don’t forget to share with the audience where they’ll be able to find it, you’ll be able to find the show notes and links to Lisa at thekimsutton.com/pp346. Yeah, this is just something I was actually thinking about last night. Lisa, you’ve heard me say, if this is not your first podcast, what positive productivity is not about perfection. Last night, I had to go to bed just because I was honestly so tired from stressing due to some situations that we’re facing in the family right now. And the night before, I actually couldn’t get asleep because I was stressing the same situation. But I know that just by letting those inherited money blocks go away, I mean, I didn’t realize until just recently the struggles, what could have been inherited, family struggles that Tony Robbins has overcome?

Lisa Thomas: Exactly.

Kim Sutton: So I do my best to always keep that in my mind. Like, it doesn’t matter what you’re going through right now, look what other people have overcome. Sometimes, it’s just so difficult.

Lisa Thomas: It can be overwhelming. I know. But it doesn’t have to be that hard. It doesn’t have to be a struggle. It doesn’t have to be feeling like lead is in your feet. We move forward. It doesn’t have to stay stuck in your mind and ruminating. And anxiety doesn’t have to be to the level that you can’t fall asleep at night.

Kim Sutton: Lisa, do we bring our own unfortunate circumstances onto us?

Lisa Thomas: We inherit things, like we talked about. And then everybody has a choice so we can make life more difficult on ourselves. When we know we should have done our homework and we didn’t do our homework, and then we got to see. And then we got grounded because of virtue, because of what we didn’t do. As a teenager in high school or in college, there’s just certain things you had to do so your parents didn’t get upset with you. So in those situations, yes.

Kim Sutton: I’m looking for the camera in my arm because you could be speaking right to my 15 year old.

Lisa Thomas: But why is he procrastinating? That’s the key. What is that root cause of him procrastinating and doing something good for himself? That’s what I love. I love getting to root causes as to why we’re making life difficult for ourself.

Kim Sutton: I asked him that just about every single day.

Lisa Thomas: He doesn’t know dear. He doesn’t know why he does it. He doesn’t want to be doing it that way.

Kim Sutton: I know he does.

Lisa Thomas: No, he doesn’t. He really doesn’t. I can feel that he doesn’t want to be that way. He really is a good kid, and he wants to do what’s right. And he doesn’t hate school, but he just doesn’t. He is not motivated to do that homework. Sometimes, when we tell our amazing children, and we’re trying to give them positive feedback, it can be overwhelming to them because they don’t feel that they can live up to that expectation. So maybe cut back on, I know how great you are and all the potential you can be, and just live with the moment. Hey, thanks for doing that and don’t over, don’t overcomplicate. Yeah, it does complicate it, but don’t over compliment. Because you can see as a parent  the amazingness of him and who his soul is, but he can’t yet. And so it can be overwhelming to sip. Just keep that in mind, Kim, as your, hey, thanks for taking that trash out. Just let it be at that.

Kim Sutton: Oh, I like that a lot. Actually, I can see where I was the same. It took me until probably two years ago to be able to accept a compliment without trying to argue. Not argue. But somebody could have said, your hair looks great today. And you’d be like, would often, I wish I would have done this. Or hey, I really like this. Sure. All this old thing is like it happened for many 30 years. I’m just gonna put it that way. Like over 35 years, I would fight compliments. And then I realized, no, I need to accept those. Actually, it was another  guest who was like, you need to be grateful for your compliments because other people are, they get as much off of giving you the compliment as you could get off of it if you received it. But it took time. Had anybody told me, I wasn’t ready to accept it, so thank you. That’s the same for my son, I think.

Lisa Thomas: It’s a feeling deep within of not feeling worthy of innately feeling adequate to live up to that potential. It’s a deep feeling of not feeling worthy. And I do have some free things listed on my website, because I do have other things on there that are just good content for people.

Kim Sutton: Definitely.

Lisa Thomas: There are some other free replays of healings that I’ve done.

Kim Sutton: Oh, I love that. In worthiness is definitely a challenge that I see many entrepreneurs dealing with. Am I worthy for an awesome client? Am I worthy of asking for that much money? Am I good enough? And I went through that for the longest time when I started my business. I started so low that it’s embarrassing. It’s not even minimum wage in Ohio, because I didn’t see how I could possibly ask for that much. I’m not doing that anymore.

Lisa Thomas: Good.

Kim Sutton: But it took years for me to overcome that, and there’s still that challenge. I don’t think that challenge will ever fully go away. I’m sure that the mentors that we all admire still face their own challenges knowing what their time, and value, and offering, and services, and whatever are worth.

Lisa Thomas: I call them money ceilings, or business success ceilings where we can reach a ceiling and clear it, and push through it, but there might be another one a little bit further up. So it’s not something we just totally ever eliminate. Because as we start to have fun bringing in money, we have fun in our business because we found what feeds our soul and financially, there’s going to be another level that we have to break through. It doesn’t ever go away, but it does get easier.

Kim Sutton: Lisa, I never thought of the expression, fun bringing in money before.

Lisa Thomas: Really? Oh, my gosh.

Kim Sutton: I love to have the feeling of fun bringing in money. Listeners, who would love to have fun bringing in money? Because I know it’s not just me. If it’s you? Head on over to the show notes page and let us know it to thekimsutton.com/pp346. Because for me, it is still this way to this day, it feels like the majority of the time. It’s more like having to keep up with whatever’s got to go out. And I don’t want it to feel like that. Because sometimes, I feel like money is chasing me rather than having fun. It’s not a fun game of tag. That’s not fun. I want it to feel amazing. Do you have a couple of quick tips that you could offer for that?

Lisa Thomas: My first tip for having money be fun is make sure, well, first of all, you want to make sure that you do what you love. And sometimes, that’s a process to find that. But until you do that, my second tip is that you give gratitude for what is good. So you give gratitude on a daily basis. If you find a penny, you pick that up and you give gratitude that it was there reminding you of what you do have. When you get your paycheck, instead of going into, oh, my gosh, it’s already spent, I am so grateful that I have this paycheck. I’m grateful that it comes with medical insurance. If you’re working within a corporate environment, there’s benefits to that. And if you’re an entrepreneur, I am so grateful. In fact, let me tell you my mantra. This is what I tell myself on a daily basis. So here we go, you’re ready?

Kim Sutton: Oh, definitely ready.

Lisa Thomas: I have a wonderful life. I have a wonderful family. I have a wonderful business. I give wonderful service to wonderful clients that give me wonderful pay. I have a wonderful life, and I acknowledge it and always. And I even say that when my mindset drops and I get off, because we all can be going along doing something great. We’re in the car and somebody flips us off, and we don’t even know what we did. But that triggers us to feel like icky, those icky feelings inside. And I’ll go right into that, like, no, no, I had nothing to do with me. I have a wonderful life, a wonderful family, and that’s my priority. My family is my priority. And then the rest of life falls together.

Kim Sutton: I love that. I have I am statements. They’re fabulous. Yeah. I have one for every letter of the alphabet. Most often, it gets used when I’m driving my kids home from daycare, and they’re tired, cranky and hungry, and that nothing that I do can possibly be right, including what road I decided to drive on home. So there’ll be screaming in the back of the man van and I’ll start with my I AM’s, and I say them out loud. And especially my four year old, she’ll say, Mom, are you talking to yourself again? Yes, yes, I am.

Lisa Thomas: I am speaking them out loud is very powerful because it sends this vibration through the universe stating who you are and you’re declaring it. So I always do my affirmations out loud. That’s great, Kim. It’s a great tip. Always say out loud.

Kim Sutton: Listeners, if you haven’t heard it before, I do believe that there’s a previous episode about my I AM statements, and I’ll put that in the show notes. But I definitely recommend that you do, that you do get your mantra, or your I am statements, or whatever works best for you. Figure it out, or you work on it. And it’s not something that you will just do once, like figure out what it is. My I am statements are constantly evolving.

Lisa Thomas: Yeah, they do for this situation. Yeah.

Kim Sutton: Mm hmm. Yeah. And some days, I need to have more letters because I just need, or I’ll put more words in a letter just because that drive is a little bit longer than I planned. By the end, if I wasn’t doing them, I could be just going crazy on my kids by the time I get home. But instead, I’m calm. I don’t want to be the neighborhood crazy lady who’s screaming at her kids as we get out of the van. And they helped me. I’m not screaming at them when we get into the house either because I’ve been able to I am it out. I’m making up expressions here today.

Lisa Thomas: I have an I am for when I start to get anxious. I am calm and peaceful from the inside out. I am confident on all levels. I am courageous whether I believe it or not talking myself.

Kim Sutton: I’m going to borrow–

Lisa Thomas: You can borrow it. I’ll write one for you, girl.

Kim Sutton: Thank you. Lisa, in our pre chat, we are talking a little bit about perfectionism. Can you address that a little bit more and maybe address how entrepreneurs can get over the need for it if they can?

Lisa Thomas: Perfectionism sets in usually, okay, as we are a child, as in those young years, when we’re trying to fit into the world around us, especially if we live in a volatile family situation, and so that’s what keeps us safe. If we can figure it out before it happens, then we’re going to be safe. That’s one thing. So we’re trying to figure out everything ahead of time so that bad things don’t happen to us. But then as we get older and the perfectionism too, so that parents are happy with us, they don’t get upset, they aren’t yelling, there’s all these different reasons why we think being perfect is good. We get the accolade from the teacher or teachers pads. 

But as we get older, perfectionism gets out of balance. It actually prevents us from excelling, from really reaching what we want because we are afraid we can’t make a mistake. We keep doing it because we don’t want to make a mistake. We feel that we’re never good enough so we’re constantly working on what we’re not good enough. Which then means our mind, I call it self abuse, is constantly reminding us of who we’re not. And oh, my gosh, I should have said this. Why did I say that? Why did I do this when I knew I should have done that? And we’re in this cycle. And so perfectionism will prevent us from being able to get things done. So for you, let’s just, Kim, you have these great ideas. But perfectionism on some level in the past prevented you from it because you knew how much work it was going to take to do it. You had all these different ideas, which one should you choose because they’re all good. It’s like somebody who has a lot of different talents. Because they could do so many different things, which one do they choose? And so for you, on all your different ideas as well, which one do I choose? Which one’s going to be the very best one if I only had to choose one was overwhelming.

Kim Sutton: Right. And even when I did choose an idea, I thought it had to be a certain way before I shared it with the world. And they had to be 100% complete.

Lisa Thomas: I just interrupted you, I’m really sorry. Finish your sentence.

Kim Sutton: I talked all the time. Totally fine. I am not perfect at interrupting, I’m a perfect interrupter. How about?

Lisa Thomas: Perfect. So for entrepreneurs, then this is a huge problem because we think our office has to be a certain way, it has to be super clean before we can do this. We have to get all of our business cards, we have to get everything up and ready to go. And so we’re constantly getting ready to go. We’re constantly getting ready to launch is a better way to say it. We never feel worthy to really own what we’re doing because we don’t feel like we’re ready, yet so perfectionists never feel ready. The other thing is they’re afraid of judgment so they want to get everything ready. So that nobody can judge that, hey, you should have been more ready. Or they don’t want to be criticized, because that’s just like the biggest fear of a perfectionist for someone to tell them what they should have known already. Or that they weren’t doing it right is really hard for perfectionists. Because you’re so critical of yourself, that for somebody else to say it to you is devastating, oftentimes.

Kim Sutton: Wow. A couple years ago, I wouldn’t have admitted when I made a mistake to anybody. To be totally honest, I probably would have lied. But that would catch up with, yeah. And then I realized that I needed to just be honest always in my life. To this day, I have a challenge that I’m not always honest with myself. But as far as making a mistake goes, when it’s concerning somebody else, I will admit it. I’ve realized that it’s made my connections a lot stronger because of the fact that I can admit when I make a mistake. Oops, I forgot to connect that how it should have been connected. Yeah, I’m just thinking of marketing automation, things happen. Don’t hire me because I just admitted that. Because I guarantee you, any person in this field will make those oops occasionally. There are a gazillion moving parts and gears of every single one of our lives. And if we expect ourselves to never make a mistake, then we’re going to be sorely disappointed.

Lisa Thomas: Exactly. And it’s our fear of being disappointed. That keeps us in that, where we’re not vulnerable. And you’ve created a life now where you’re vulnerable and you’re open, and people love being around open people. They love being around people that can admit when they don’t make a mistake, because it makes us feel okay to be in your presence.

Kim Sutton: Do you think there is anybody out there whose life goes as they plan consistently?

Lisa Thomas: No, but I do think some people do not have the same amount of struggles as other people. I think for some people, life just does come fairly easy to them. But there aren’t very many of them. And a lot of those types of people really are not living to their full potential, they’re playing small in the world. So I’m saying it from how you might be interpreting their life. But inside, they know or they just feel safer living small. I don’t know how else to put it. But if you’re somebody who really has big desires and big hopes and you’re going to be on that roller coaster at times of hitting the wall, picking yourself back up and going, it’s okay. I’m going through that wall now, which is what you’ve done in your life, Kim. You’ve pushed through those barriers.

Kim Sutton: Sometimes foam, sometimes [inaudible]. So listeners, just keep moving forward. Don’t let that fear hold you back. Three years ago, I would have been too afraid to get on and talk to you, Lisa.

Lisa Thomas: Really?

Kim Sutton: Oh, yeah. Okay. I had no idea what I was jumping into with the podcast. I was afraid to get behind a microphone.

Lisa Thomas: And it is what feeds your soul because you have this beautiful message to deliver, and you have this way of empowering people that they don’t have to be perfect. They can live a life in joy and have it go as a plant. Like, roll with it, and you have a message to deliver. And that’s why podcasting is perfect for you.

Kim Sutton: Thank you. I know I’m not the only one who wants to know more and get access to your trainings and the resources that you have available and start breaking through these blocks. Oh, my gosh, listeners, I love being positive, but life has been a little bit challenging lately. Don’t worry. If you know me personally, everything is great with my family. But life definitely knows how to throw in challenges. I would love to know where we can find more about you and about the products and services that you offer. Where can we do that?

Lisa Thomas: It’s easy. It’s Lisa@lisathomasenergyhealing.com. Actually, I just gave you my email. You could do that too. It’s just lisathomasenergyhealing.com. Yeah.

Kim Sutton: Fabulous. Thank you so much.

Lisa Thomas: Yeah, you want my phone number too? I just rattle them off here.

Kim Sutton: Hey, breaking through the perfectionism.

Lisa Thomas: I think so.

Kim Sutton: 555-12-12. Lisa, thank you so much. My mind is spinning right now just because I know that there’s so much that can be done to. Thank you so much. Do you have a parting piece of advice or a golden nugget that you can offer to listeners?

Lisa Thomas: Sometimes when you think life is tough, it’s really because you’re expanding and you’re growing. Like your business, Kim, is growing. And so part of that is just breaking the barrier of being small, and owning your gifts and talents. And it can seem like a challenge. But in hindsight, you’ll recognize that it was such a blessing. And stating those I AM statements out loud when you’re feeling discouraged or you’re feeling like you’re hitting a block will really empower you.