PP 677: Human Designs- The Key to Your Question of Purpose with John Cole

“Once you’re clear on what you want to initiate, you don’t have to wait for anyone; you don’t even have to ask for permission. You have all the potential capacity within yourself to go into action.” – John Cole

What does your body graph say about you? If you’re trying to find out what your purpose is, this episode may well resonate with you. Today, Kim sits with John Cole, an Expert Human Design Analyst. John explains how your Human Design Chart can help you be at peace with yourself. He also interprets what the channels, colors, and line activations represent and how it relates to your profile and what impact you can create. More importantly, learn how these concepts can help you build a strategy around your personal growth and relationships. Your energy works in surprising ways! Tune in and discover your manifesting potential!


05:09 Body Graph 
07:26 Human Design Chart Explained
16:48 Types Of Human Design
27:31 Emotional Authority Center In Our Body
37:29 Planetary Symbols
39:10 Significant Colors In The Body Chart
53:09 Tribal Channels: Impact On The World
1:05:31 Line Profile: Phase Of Life
1:14:22 The Manifester Strategy

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Inspirational Quotes:

19:48 “When you have channel definition, it fixes your aura into a certain pattern, a certain frequency, and that’s where type comes from.” – John Cole

22:34 “Once you’re clear on what you want to initiate, you don’t have to wait for anyone; you don’t even have to ask for permission. You have all the potential capacity within yourself to go into action.” – John Cole

28:33  “Human Design is about helping us tap into our own inner sense of truth or our own inner sense of knowing or awareness that is essentially coming in some way through the body.” – John Cole

49:22 “The way the mind is looked at in Human Design is about sharing one’s mind, view, perspective, and awareness with others. It’s not about making decisions about one’s own life.” – John Cole

1:03:15 “You have these experiences, learning, growing, adapting, to be shared, through your speaking, through your voice, through stories.” – John Cole

1:11:16 “Accept yourself and live from that place. Do not try to be different than you are.”  – John Cole

1:12:23 “This is the life I’m here to have, and I might as well do it because no one else can live my life for me.” – John Cole

About John Cole​:

John Cole is a Human Design Analyst. His interest began in his early 20s when he was introduced to astrology by his mother. After an initial period of skepticism, he began taking classes and exploring various systems of astrology, including modern psychological astrology, traditional Greek astrology, Uranian/Symmetrical astrology, and Indian/Vedic astrology. Through the years, his focus has always been on what works best and delivers the most reliable perspectives and results in his life and those of his clients. In early 2015, John was introduced to the Human Design System by a friend and fellow astrologer. He began experimenting with this knowledge and since then, he has continued his formal training becoming a Living Your Design Guide, a Rave ABCs teacher, a Family Analyst, and Human Design Analyst. As a Projector energy type, he feels prepared to meet the needs of those wishing to experiment with this knowledge.  John’s aim is to share this system in a practical and straightforward way, initiating the client into a deeper relationship with their true-self and inner authority.



Kim Sutton: Welcome to the Positive Productivity podcast, Episode 677. The Positive Productivity podcast was created to empower entrepreneurs to achieve and appreciate personal and professional success. I’m your host, Kim Sutton, and if you’re ready, let’s jump into today’s episode. Well, my friends, I am so excited about today’s episode, you have heard quite the journey with me, you have heard me be introduced to techniques, methodologies and thought processes that I have never heard of before. However, back in Episode Number 668 with Zach Poitr, I think I’m saying his name right. Poitr, thank you, it’s a good thing there’s no rolling of the R’s there. You may remember that he mentioned his friend John Cole, who does Human Design, or he had asked me if I had ever heard of Human Design before. And I had, but I really wasn’t familiar, and this is something that I was introduced to about a year ago. I was at an event, people that I was out to dinner with were talking about Human Design. I was fascinated. I pulled up a website and entered a few pieces of information, and all of a sudden, I got this crazy looking chart put into my face. I didn’t know where to go from there, and my life was crazy. So a year passed then Zach talked about this. And I had to reach out to john. So today’s guest is John Cole. I’m gonna let him give an introduction to himself, but what I want you to know is if you’re listening on your favorite podcast player, if you’re listening through my website, I want you to go to the show notes at thekimsutton.com/pp677 and click the link to the YouTube video, version of this recording, because there you’ll be able to see the chart as john is explaining it. So John, thank you so much for joining me. I’m so excited to have you here.

John Cole: Yeah, I am too. Thanks for having me today.

Kim Sutton: Oh, you’re so welcome. John, how did you get into this?

John Cole: Well, it actually started a while back with astrology about 20 something years ago. My mother is an astrologer so I was introduced to astrology at a relatively young age. And after I would say, initial period of skepticism, I ended up agreeing to get an astrological reading, which kind of blew my mind at the time. I was like, alright, this person has some information on me that no one else has said or had pointed out and it really resonated with me. And that started a decade’s long study of astrology, which took me up to about five or six years ago, when an astrologer friend of mine said, Hey, have you heard of Human Design and kind of dropped it in my lap. I started looking at it and kind of like you said, at first I was like, what is this crazy system? I can see that there are some familiar aspects to it, like the planets, and there’s a birth chart but it was unlike anything I had seen before. And then something clicked and I dove deep into it. Started taking classes, formal training, and then started incorporating it into my astrological practice. And then after a few years of that, I just started doing primarily Human Design and a little bit of astrology on the side.

Kim Sutton: I have a question that I know some listeners are going to groan at and say, did you really just ask that? But astrology, John, is that the same as horoscopes in the newspaper? Or is there more like, I honestly don’t know the answer to this.

John Cole: It is. So when we look at the horoscopes in the newspaper, we’re really talking about sun sign astrology which categorizes people in a sense according to the sign that their sun is in, and there’s 12 different signs in the Zodiac. I would say it was a very simplified aspect of astrology. There are some very complex, deep and older astrological traditions that are a lot more involved, but it is the same thing as a horoscope. That’s where it’s coming from.

Kim Sutton: Okay. Yeah, I wasn’t sure if there was, I’m just very green on all of this, that’s why I’m so fascinated. Okay, listeners, you are gonna find out a lot about me today. For now. in order to do my human design reading chart? How do you say it?

John Cole: You can say human design chart, or it’s called the body graph.

Kim Sutton: Okay. In order to do my body graph, I had to provide John my birth date, my city of birth and my time of birth, which is so funny because when we are talking about a month ago, while we were literally on a Zoom, I picked up the phone and called my mom and was like, Mom, I’m on a call right now, I just need to know what time of day I was born. She says. 7:09 AM. I’m 41 years old everybody, I suppose my mom could still remember that. But anyway, I’ve shared my weight on the podcast, I’ve shared my credit score when it really sucked, so now you’re going to know my exact date. Birthday gifts are welcome anytime, March 2, 1979 at 7:09 AM in Rochester, New York. That information is how John pulled together my body chart, body design chart, see? Brain fart. And this is what we’re going to work off of today. So again, if you’re not already watching on YouTube, click over there. Because then, you can see what was so confusing to me, and you can walk through the process as John explains my chart to me. But if you want your chart, wait till the end and we’ll give you John’s information. Because your information, unless you were also born at 7:09 AM in Rochester, New York on March 2 1979, your charts are going to be absolutely different.

John Cole: Yes, that’s one of the things about this system, which we’ll be getting into, how different we each are based on the time and place of birth. As you mentioned, you get a very specific detailed map of your, you could say your energetic makeup, your potentials, your gifts, your capacities in this life. You see as much difference in charts as you have people on the planet just about, so each person’s very unique. Even if the chart looks relatively similar on the surface, there are levels of depth beyond it which show a lot of difference at the same time.

Kim Sutton: John, I’m going to hide my camera, and I would love it if you would take us through a little bit of what we’re seeing here on the screen.

John Cole: Sure. So just for starters, Human Design is basically a system of knowledge that came into the world in 87. It was, you could say, received by an individual who ended up adopting the name Ra Uru Hu, not his birth name, but he had a week long experience of, essentially a voice that came into his head and started talking to him, telling him things, it was almost like a certain formula or pattern was shoved into this person’s brain. And he spent the next 20 something years refining it, unpacking it and teaching it. So it’s basically a system of knowledge that is here in this world at a specific time to support us in living as ourselves, awakening as ourselves to the life that we’re here to live. As we said before, it’s based on the time and place of one’s birth. We’re looking at a map of your energetic potential, how your energy cam is set into certain patterns, where it’s fixed in certain ways, where it operates consistently, and where it’s open. And open means kind of conditional or circumstantial, depending on what’s going on. Either in the transit field, from an astrological standpoint or how you’re interacting with others, the others in your life. So that’s basically what we’re looking for here is a birth chart or a type of birth chart showing the positions of the planets at two different times. And this is where, if you have a copy of a human design chart, or you’re watching the video on YouTube, you can see what I’m describing because it’s a very visual system. 

We’ve got these two columns of planets. On the right, we have personality, where these numbers are in black and we have the planetary symbols next to them. And then we have another column where the numbers are in red and the title there is designed. And we have another set of planetary symbols. These are essentially two different birth charts, they’re representing the planets at the time of birth in a particular hexagram of the I’ching, which is referred to as a gate in Human Design. But these numbers represent one of the 64 different hexagrams that are arranged along, I’m gonna switch views real quick, along the wheel, the Zodiac. And you can see that here, we have the familiar zodiac signs for those of you who are familiar with some astrology. And then we have on the outer wheel, we have these numbers and then these little symbols, which are the hexagrams of the I’Ching. This this ancient Chinese text that goes back thousands of years, it was originally used as a kind of a divinatory system, maybe a little bit like Tarot, or the rooms where it’s essentially representing these 64 different frequencies, or archetypes, patterns of energy and experience that we can have as humans. And it’s a very fascinating system in itself. It has some really amazing correspondence to the human genome in terms of our genetic sequence. There’s a certain mathematical construct and elegance to it. But Human Design is using these gates or hexagrams of the I’Ching in place of designs. 

So if we go back to this other view, we can see that we’re looking at planetary positions where you have the sun, for example, this would be the sun at the time of birth. In hexagram, 37, on the sixth line of that hexagram, because there’s six lines in each hexagram, and all of that carries a very specific meaning, or you could say there’s a certain frequency of expression here. And then going back to this left column where it says design and the numbers are read, this is a secondary set of planetary positions that’s taken three months before the birth, which is essentially the beginning of the third trimester of the pregnancy. In the Human Design System, the understanding is, at that point, the form, the body was set. It was fixed with certain patterns, or certain traits, characteristics. And the part of us that comes back in this life, you could say the soul, or it’s referred to as the personality crystal in Human Design, drops into the form and begins integrating into the body, and then you’re born three months later, you have the whole person. So you’re looking at, basically, personality design, mind and body, or you could say conscious and unconscious. We’re just getting started, but I’ll pause there.

Kim Sutton: Yeah, I have a question about that, about the design column, because I was actually a month early.

John Cole: Mm hmm. Yeah.

Kim Sutton: Is that something that I should have disclosed to you?

John Cole: No, no, no. That’s an interesting question and a pretty common question that comes up. And it’s one that I wrestled with myself where, what happens when you have, say, a caesarean section, or a scheduled birth, or what happens if  you’re born a month early, like my daughter was. How does it still work? And the answer is, I don’t know. But I have a theory, or I have an idea that I’ll just toss out there, which is essentially works because it was all pre determined that way. I mean, even with that, I’m Christian and I know that God always knows so I’m cool with that answer. And that’s exactly along those lines is where I end up is, yeah, it’s predetermined. I think each individually, or I would say this way, we each have our own comfort level with that idea of choice, or free will and fate, or predetermination. That’s kind of an individual orientation, but it really does seem to me, the more I work with these charts, and work with human design, and work with astrology, that there is a level of predetermination that goes beyond what we, maybe are comfortable with, or what we commonly think as a society.

Kim Sutton: I am okay with that too. Looking with how you just explained it and showing the other chart, the round one, what was that one called again?

John Cole: This is the wheel or the mendala where you can see the whole arrangement.

Kim Sutton: Yep. Really having pulled my chart myself, I wouldn’t have ever been able to figure out what the heck it meant.

John Cole: I had the same experience coming in as an astrologer with yours. I remember my first, I guess the impression here was like, wow, this is really complicated. What is this, and how would something like this even exist? But the thing about human design is it’s really not presented as a belief system, or a dogma, or something that we just necessarily take on faith or anything. It’s really best used as a point of reference, something that we can either play with, or experiment with, test and verify for ourselves and see, does this actually hold up? Does this actually fit with my experience? Things seem to work this way. And that’s a very experiential process when you first look at the system. It seems very abstract, very intellectual, it’s complicated. And it is to a certain degree but I think that the real value of it where the rubber meets the road, so to speak, is in the lived experience. When you start translating what’s being described in the body graph into one’s life, you see, like, Oh, this actually is the way that it is for me, or there’s this sense of kind of recognition of oneself in it. And so much of this system is really about coming back to oneself, one’s authentic self, or true self, and living from a place of self acceptance and self love. Part of that process is letting go of a lot of things that we either thought we were, or that we were trying to be, or other people wanted us to be. And so there this, what’s referred to as kind of a deconditioning process of working with this knowledge.

Kim Sutton: I’m still going through deconditioning. All right, I am above to go over the rave properties, if you don’t mind. Because I remember the first time I saw this and it says, not-self theme, and next to that is anger. I mean, I do not like to be angry. I don’t know anybody who really does like to be angry. I know people who are angry more often than other people are angry. But it seems spot on to me, but I don’t really, I’m sure there’s a lot more to it than I understand. And then secondary to that, I started seeing the type, the strategy and all that, what makes sense for how to walk through what this means?

John Cole: I think the right properties will be a good point of reference for us.

Kim Sutton: Okay, great.

John Cole: You mentioned type, type is one of the first things that people encounter when they run their chart or they start looking into Human Design. And I think it does deserve a little bit of explanation in that when we talk about type in Human Design. It’s not so much personality type, maybe something like Myers Briggs. It’s not really describing things on something like an astrological sun sign level, again, Myers Briggs type system. What it’s really describing is our energetic or auric type. And by aura, our bio energetic field that we all have, it’s describing the way our energy is designed to move through the world, how we’re designed to operate in the world, and it came in your case, your type is manifester. There’s four types in Human Design. manifesters are 10% of the population ,roughly. There is another type called generator, which is roughly 70% of the population, so the dominant energetic type in our species. And then there is another type called projector, which is about 20%, and that’s my type. And then there’s a very rare type called reflector, which is about 1% or less of the population. And if you were looking at a reflector chart right now, what you would see is that all of the centers were white, nothing was colored and there are no lines running in between the centers. Each of these shapes are referred to as centers, and they’re aspects of our functioning. 

So for example, like the head centers up here, the head and the Ajna at the very top, and then the throat where the throat is placed. And you’ve got the center in the middle, this white diamond in your chart cam, which is the G Center, the Center for identity itself. The little red triangle here near the heart is the heart center, the ego center. You’ve got the solar plexus down here on the bottom right hand corner, that is colored in brown with the lines running into it. And opposite that on the left side, you’ve got the Spleen. And that’s an awareness Center, it has to do with our survival, our sense of well being. You’ve got this bottom square second, or square second from the bottom, which is the Sacral Center, which is white in your chart. And then you’ve got the root at the very bottom of the body graph, which is the physical pressure center where we ground and how we handle stress or pressure. When we look at a body graph or chart, we’re seeing that some of these centers are colored in and some are not colored in. And we have lines running in between the centers, the lines are referred to as channels, and the channels represent the life force. So when you have channel definition, it fixes your aura into a certain pattern, a certain frequency, and that’s where type comes from. So going back to this type, based on your definition, your energetic field is set into a type that’s referred to as manifester, which about 10% of the population has that type. I can talk a little bit about what it means to be a manifester and we can go into your specifics.

Kim Sutton: Yeah, I would love that but I’m glad you brought up the colors because I was wondering, if the colors of the different centers were significant, and from what you just said, I gathered that they are so I’d love to talk about that late., but yeah, I believe I have an understanding of manifester, but I would love to hear your explanation.

John Cole: Sure. It’s interesting to talk about what it means to be a manifester, especially in today’s world where there is generally a lot of talk about manifesting. Let’s bring something into form, I want to have an impact on the world, I want to make something happen or I want to start something that’s very much what the manifester design is about. But what’s interesting from the point of view of Human Design, there are really only one in 10 people who have that capacity and of themselves. What I mean by that is that they have, they are built or designed to initiate things to have an impact on the world to bring things into form. That doesn’t mean that the other 90% of the population can’t do that, but there are certain conditions in which that happens or not. It gets a little bit more complicated than just saying, I’m going to go and make something happen, I’m going to go start something. You’ll see that a lot of people are out there kind of acting like a manifester or initiating things as a manifester, but perhaps getting mixed results or things they never really take off or they don’t get the traction. 

So what does it mean to be a manifester? It means that you have that ability, you are one of those 10 people, statistically, who is here to have an impact on the world. And to do it according to your own vision like what you see, or what you want to experience or bring into the world. And manifesters have an energetic type, which is, I would say design to not be interfered with. In other words, once you’re clear on what it is that you want to initiate, or act upon, or the impact that you want to have, you don’t really have to wait for anyone, you really don’t even have to ask for permission, you have all the potential capacity within yourself to go into action. But there are some, I would say limitations to being a manifester. One is that manifesters are usually better at starting things, initiating things than they are in the follow through. The energy to follow through and maintain what they start, it’s inconsistent, sometimes it’s there, sometimes it’s not. You’ll find manifesters by their own experience of living in the world. They will often have to become, I guess more aware or wise about how they’re using their energy. And I kind of think that it’s interesting to be saying that on your podcast because from what I can understand, a lot of it is about how to be more efficient on how we’re doing things in the world or using our energy in the world. That is one of the characteristics of a manifester, to be wise about energy or to be sensitive to energy, and then to develop a certain amount of wisdom or mastery around it that will enable them to fulfill their mission or whatever they’re about.

Kim Sutton: Which is so interesting on so many standpoints because I’ve found that I need to be mindful when I’m thinking about it. Because when I’m worried about luck, I get more luck. I’m manifesting luck. But I’m even thinking back to 2007, 2008, I had my first business. And when I would be going through points of struggle, I would put out there that I needed some help. I’ve never shared this to anybody or with anybody before, but I would put it out to my grandfather who had passed a decade before that I needed some help. And every single time I put it out to him, and it was a half dozen times at the most, every single time I would put out to him that I needed something, I would get it the same day.

John Cole: I think you’re touching on something really interesting about being a manifester, and this gets going to take us a little bit deeper into your chart. What makes someone a manifester is that they have one of the four motors, actually, I would say the three motors because there’s a condition with the fourth, but one of three motors are connected directly to the throat center. So this brown square here in the throat is the center for action, manifestation, self expression, how we bring things into form, and you’ve got two of the four motors in the body graph. Basically, running into the throat through this channel, the 36-35. So in relation to what you’re saying, once you’re clear on what you want to do, or bring into form, it happens immediately. You’re not waiting for something from the outside, you’re not waiting for the conditions, the external conditions to change, or someone to come and invite you, or ask you, or to it’s instantaneous–

Kim Sutton: But you said, decide. Once I decide.

John Cole: Yes,

Kim Sutton: Because that’s what usually gets me in trouble, I don’t decide. But when I decide, yeah, there’s no stopping me and I’m gonna back up for a second where you said that manifesters have. I mean, it’s the finishing that we struggle with. I’ve called that chronic idea disorder for years, and I have it. I have no trouble starting something but I’m like, I’ve been joking about my youngest son, he just started kindergarten, he gets distracted by dust, and I feel like I’m a bit of the same, I get distracted by dust. I have no problem starting, but I need to actively decide to finish.

John Cole: Right. So what you’re kind of getting at here I think is this definition that we’re seeing down here in this heart center, the ego center, which is the center for willpower, you could say kind of what you want in a way.

Kim Sutton: Why is it red? That’s concerning.

John Cole: Colors are consistent across all body graphs. And from my understanding, the colors were given to the messenger, the transmitter of this system by the voice, so he just saw it, or it just came into him, and these are the colors. I know it’s a bit of a non answer but those are just the colors that he saw. And what’s the significance of it? I’m not really sure why it’s red, but everyone has it red, or it’s going to be white if it’s not defined, if it’s open.

Kim Sutton: Okay.

John Cole: And then over here, I’d mentioned before the center at the bottom right hand side is the solar plexus, this is the emotional center. This has to do with our emotional energy, our moods, our feelings, our desires, our passions, our sense of loyalty or social illness. In your case, you have a very hooked up, you’ve got two channels defining it, the 40-37 and the 35-36. You have all of the gates in there, except for 49 defined, and this is a very strong emotional process. When the emotional center, the solar plexus is defined in a chart, it gives one what is called an emotional authority. With the word authority means, your particular way of making decisions or coming to the truth of something within yourself as opposed to external forms of authority, like experts or authority figures, or whomever. A lot of Human Design is about helping us tap into our own inner sense of truth or our own inner sense of knowing or awareness that is essentially coming in some way through the body, as opposed through the mind. So what I’m getting at here is, a lot of your potential to manifest is based on YOU being clear emotionally about the impact that you want to have in the world. And once you’re clear about the impact, this is the experience I want to have, this is what I want to go and see, I’ve got a desire, or I’ve got this thing that I would like to go learn, check out or explore. Once you’re clear on that, that’s when all of your energy is available, and it will be expressed in the world in a way that is true for you or correct for you. And clear versus if you’re not clear on it, if you haven’t come gone through a certain process internally around it, it can be hard to feel like you’re getting the results that you desire in the world, or that you’re having the impact without that clarity that you want to have, if that makes sense.

Kim Sutton: It makes absolute sense. And to the listener who’s been with me for a while, you know that I went through a major shift in my business in the past year where I had to part ways with a long time client because my heart wasn’t in their work anymore. I didn’t feel right about it, but I put it off for so long because I was staying for the financial aspect, whereas I knew my impact was not as great as I wanted it to be. I stayed in it for so long because I didn’t trust that it was going to be better. But the second that I decided, I love how all this is coming together. The second that I decided that I was done and moved on, it was amazing to see how easy it was to do what I wanted to do without struggle.

John Cole: Right. You had asked about the not-self theme earlier, anger and where that’s coming from in the manifester type. The manifester is here to kind of be a lone wolf, to be somewhat independent, go about things in their own way and not be interfered with. In other words, to basically get on with their life and to have the impact that they want to have, to have the experiences, to do what they want to do. And often that means that they have to either maybe work alone a little bit more than the next person. Or they don’t really do well working under people who are either too controlling in some way. Now, there’s something about your design, in specific that that kind of balances that out, and it’s a very strong feature in your design that isn’t really part of, I would say directly related to being a manifester. And this channel, the 40-37, which is your personality sun-earth, you can see in the body graph of the top of the personality column that you’ve got the sun and hexagram, or gate 37. And then the symbol below it is the earth and gate 40. This is called the channel of community, and it represents a very big theme in your life. What you’re here to express or to be in a way to be this independent, self directed manifester, who is part of a community or oversees a community, it’s in the sixth line of these gates. What you see with the six line is that you’re often on the edge of things, or you’re a little bit removed from it. This idea of being either part of a group, a tribe, a family, a community becomes something very important, a very important theme for you. Just like people, people are complex, you have charts that are complex and that represent the complexity or these different aspects of ourselves. You’ll see things like, Okay, this person is designed to be very independent on one hand, and yet they’re also a community family person. They can be very traditional in a way–

Kim Sutton: It got me over here laughing again. I mean, I’m wondering how my introvertedness comes out. I mean, I feel like it’s a little bit in play here. I just want to, and this is not the typical cleaned mouth Kim that you’ll hear most often on the podcast. But a lot of the time, I just want to tell people to leave alone and give me some space. I also have five kids and a husband. I mean, just within our house, I feel like I have a community and they’re all looking at me. But at the same time, I do like to go to events. But at the end of the day, I don’t want to go to a party. I want people, like, don’t follow me to my hotel room thinking that we’re going to drink all night, give me some space. Let me climb into bed and watch some HDTV for the rest of the day in silence.

John Cole: Right. So on this not self theme of anger, the anger comes up as a result of being either interfered or resisted. Or if someone were trying to direct and control you, or control any manifester, what you’re going to get is anger. It sounds negative or unpleasant and it can be, but what it also can be is an interesting point of reference for everyone, for yourself and like, Oh, I’m getting angry. Do I need more space? Trying to be interfered with, or why am I angry? It can be something that brings more awareness. And for the other person on the receiving end, it can be a sign like, hey, back off, I’m done, or I’m not gonna keep going now, I’m going to rest.

Kim Sutton: Oh, my gosh, John, it took me years to get through to my husband. That when I say, I need some space to think about this, this does not mean to keep on pushing. If you do, yeah, you’re gonna get like the worst side of Kim, possible.

John Cole: Mm hmm. And in a way that’s almost, again, not pleasant, not fun, but it’s correct. Meaning that it’s almost like you put these two chemicals together and you get this result. That’s what happens, this is just the energetic mechanics of the dynamic. But you’ve got these other sides to yourself, which this gate 37, which is your sun hexagram, you could kind of think of it as your sun sign in the astrology bar in Human Design. This is called the family in the original I’Ching. 37 was called the family in Human Design, it’s the gate of friendship and loyalty. So you’ve got a manifester who is independent, who doesn’t like being interfered with, who has their own vision, who is here to have an impact on the world through the experiences that you have or that you want to have, and the processes you want to go through and yet you’ve got also a person who’s very friendly, very loyal, very traditional in a way, here for community, here to be a part of something, here to be a role model or a leader in a community or a family, that’s what the gate six really is in this case. It’s the role model, it’s a leadership line. You’re you’re kind of in it, but you’re also kind of outside it and above it in a way. So yeah, it’s fascinating to actually see some of these things that we maybe recognize about ourselves, or we have a sense of, and then you start seeing it, described in a system like Human Design, and it can be a really helpful point of view in terms of our awareness of self, and then for the others in our life as well.

Kim Sutton: You even have me thinking about where I like to sit at events. Some people love the center of the room. No, I’m quite happy at one being closest to the aisle on one side seats, or on one of the outside tables with my back facing out, nobody behind me, and I always just thought that was me, one of my quirks, but it actually it is, just not in a bad way. So looking at both of these columns here, are the symbols always the same from top to bottom, like in that order. Or does that order even have something to do specifically with me.

John Cole: The order of the planetary symbols are always going to be the same on both sides. But what’s going to change are the numbers and the lines, or the gates and the lines. The numbers that we see in each column, they’re going to be very different from person to person. And in the body graph, the centers will always be in the same position, the numbers and the centers will be in the same position. However, which numbers are colored in and what lines are between them are going to change based on what planets are activating which gates. So to give you a quick example, your 37 sun is right down here in the solar plexus. This is the, again, the gate of family here or loyalty. And then you’ve got gate 40 activated here by the personality earth in the ego. And when you have one of these lines, which we refer to as channels connecting the two centers, the two centers on either side are colored and it’s represents how the lifeforce is fixed into a certain pattern, a certain frequency of expression, and that makes us who we are, or what we are, determines how our energy is designed to work in the world. And so the variation comes from what planets are activating, what gates and what centers basically.

Kim Sutton: So fascinating. Can you walk us through what these different colors of lines mean? I mean, I would have to think that white is pretty like, I don’t want to say insignificant in a bad way, but I would have to think that the lines that I would be looking at are the solid black or the red, or the diagonal red and black. Am I right?

John Cole: You are right, and that’s a great question. That’s something I did want to point out here is the center’s, the gates and the lines that are colored in, they represent our definition, what is fixed, consistent and reliable in our experience, what makes us, what we are. Anything that’s not colored in, whether we’re talking about a line, a gate, like the 17, or the 24, or the 10 down here in the G center, anything that’s not colored in represents where you could, well, I think the simplest way to say is it’s not us, it’s not something that we’re here to necessarily embrace, or nurture ourselves, or to be. However, we will have an experience of everything in the body graph as we live our life because what will happen is you’re going to, we will tend to draw the energies, the frequencies, the others to us that represent what we don’t have or what we. There’s kind of a magnetic quality to all this where, for example, let’s just say gate 10, it’s open in your design here, that doesn’t mean that you will never experience gate 10. Gate 10 is the gate of love of oneself, it’s also called the gate of behavior. Just being oneself, loving oneself, this is me. You can have a sense of that, but you’ll have a sense of that either through your life experiences through the planetary influences that are coming in, or the relationships in your life. 

But if you were to fixate on that and say that I need to be that, or let me give you a better example here, this gate 2 for example, this is called the receptive and the original I’Ching, but it’s the gate of direction, or the driver in Human Design. And this is about having an individual direction in life. If this was colored in and defined in the G center through this channel, the 2-14 or another way, it would mean that you would have this consistent sense of identity, who you are, what you’re doing and where you’re going. But your design is not about that, it’s not about you always knowing who you are, what you’re doing or where you’re going. It’s basically saying that that’s going to come in from the outside, it’s going to come in from life is your sense of direction, through your exchanges with life and others. When it comes to you, go back to the definition of what’s colored in, looking at your design, you have a lot of what’s called abstract circuitry, which is all about cycles of experience. So this 35-36 channel here, this is called the channel of transitory illness, a design of a jack of all trades. This is really about going through life and having experiences, having a desire for a new experience. And just going through it for the sake of it from this place of like, I don’t know what this is, or I haven’t had this experience to come out the other end and gather experience. And then this 35 is called the gate of change or progress. And by going through the whole experience, something can be learned, something can be shared, it’s something–

Kim Sutton: Oh, my goodness, that’s huge. I had somebody tell me once, that what goes on in my life wasn’t meant to be shared in my business. I knew in my heart that that was not right and I’ve heard from listeners, and blog readers, and clients how much they appreciated hearing what I’ve experienced because I won’t not share. Why I’ve shared things like my weight, my credit score, and our stories of foreclosure and bankruptcy, not bankruptcy or repossession, all the struggles. But how I was able to come out of it, which is the manifestation part by thinking we will come out of this. And now it’s all like, oh, holy, you’re blowing my mind. I’m sorry John, but I was still skeptical coming in today because I didn’t have a clue. Listeners, I want you to know that I told John, don’t tell me anything about this because I want to hear it on the podcast, right?

John Cole: Yes.

Kim Sutton: So this is all, and John only knows about me, what he’s read or listened to, and I don’t mean this in a bad way John, but you’re a busy person, I don’t expect you to have listened to 677 episodes of the podcast. Maybe, but that’s about it. So many of my stories, you wouldn’t have known how much of my story goes into my story.

John Cole: Right. I’m just reading this map and this is why I continue to experiment and work with the system because it consistently seems to hold up again and again. I just have to have a certain amount of faith or trust in the knowledge, and in the system, and in the interpretation, I guess. But yeah, most of the sessions that I do when I work with people, I’m meeting them for the very first time and I know nothing about them but I feel like, what I can do is I can, again, if this holds up and there’s something to it, I can see who’s actually there and I can see what’s the life is about. And then it becomes a question of, can I translate that in a way that’s meaningful to the other? And going back to the sharing theme that you mentioned, it’s huge in your chart so I agree with you. You’re right, you are here to share, and that is a major theme in your life, and it’s a major aspect of what you’re doing, your manifestation. These three channels here, the 64-47 up in the head, the 11-56 and then the 35-36, these are all part of what’s called collective circuitry in the body graph. It’s a type of channel that is designed to be shared, it is all about sharing. And the 30–

Kim Sutton: But the red scares me, I just want to put it out there. The red scares me like, I see the red and I think that there must be a block.

John Cole: You know what the red is, it’s representing the characteristics or the frequency that your body is putting out. You could think of anything that’s red in the body graph as operating unconsciously, not unconsciously in any sort of negative sense, but unconsciously as an, your body’s just doing it, you’re doing it without your conscious participation or awareness of it. The red ends up being something that we develop a sense of maybe over time, or we reflect on it, or someone points it out. For example, this channel of transitoriness, this jack of all trades, it’s all about experiential learning and going through the experience for just the experience itself, almost without expectation. Let’s just go have this experience and come out the other end. I’ll have something to share, and you’re going to have an impact on the world through whatever you’re doing in your sharing and how you’re sharing on your podcast, through your voice, through your speaking. The red means that it’s just your body doing it, this is what’s very natural for you to do on a physical level regardless of whether your mind understands it or not, or can make sense of it or not. If you go to the one fully black channel, you have the 40-37, the black would be seen as conscious, like what you might identify as yourself, or I could say, you’re a family person, and family bonds are important. Being a part of a community, whether the community is your family and your relatives, or you could even say your extended family of your podcast audience, there would be a certain awareness that like, yeah, I kind of know that about myself. That’s kind of obvious. But the red tends to be something that just happens of its own accord. Almost like our hair growing or a heart beating, our body just does it.

Kim Sutton: What about the red and black?

John Cole: That means that there’s a conscious activation in an unconscious activation in the same channel, and what it tends to do is function unconsciously. So if we get up here to the mind, what’s really interesting about this mental definition that you have, the 64-47, this is called the channel of abstraction, it’s half conscious, half unconscious. This channel is described as a design of mental activity mixed with clarity, so this is a very busy mind. It’s a pictorial mind that is constantly working to connect the dots and make sense of something, like what happened? What was that experience about? What did that mean? It can be a very creative mind. It can be something that, it’s really here to be shared with others. That’s the funny thing about the way the mind is looked at in Human Design, it’s more about sharing one’s mind, it’s about sharing one’s view, perspective and awareness with others, it’s not so much about making decisions about one’s own life. That’s kind of a big departure from a lot of our early education, conditioning and upbringing. 

But quickly going back to your emotional authority here, the solar plexus, the thing about, what this is saying is the correct way of you coming to the truth about something whether you should do something, or start something, or the impact that you want to have by going through several cycles of emotion and feeling around it. In other words, having the patience to wait until a certain clarity emerges through the emotional process to where there is either a feeling of clarity, consistency, or maybe just even this, in the emotional process where I just know how I feel, I just feel like this. But if you’re going up and down on kind of like an emotional wave or process where some days you get up and you feel good about it, some days you get up and you’re feeling not so good about it or you’re not really sure there’s a sense of nervousness, all of those things are indications that more time is needed. What I’m really saying here is this is a design, while you’re not waiting for anything outside of yourself before you go into action, you’re waiting for internal emotional clarity before you do anything, to not be spontaneous in the moment and just, I’m going to do this because I want to. Well, you can do that, but you may not get the impact that you want, you may not get the results, you may encounter resistance from others. There’s a process of internal wading through your emotional process that is going to lead or result in better results in the world for whatever you’re doing.

Kim Sutton: Okay, so that’s so fascinating to me because when I made the decision to leave that client last year, I had ridden the roller coaster for some time, but my roller coaster got stuck at the bottom, and that’s when I knew it was time to go.

John Cole: I like the way you described that. I think that that sounds right on, I think if you’re on the roller coaster and then all of a sudden you realize that, okay, I’m just on the bottom. This doesn’t feel good, I don’t like this, this is not working, and I feel that way consistently. It’s almost as if the intelligence of your body, your emotions, your feelings are saying, this isn’t working, this isn’t right. It’s that consistency that eventually comes. But when you’re on the roller coaster, it’s almost like having rose colored glasses on when you’re at the high point, it’s like things look better than they are, or sometimes when you’re really low, it seems a lot worse than it is. So the longer you wait, you realize, Oh, this is actually what it is.

Kim Sutton: Yeah. And actually, when I made the decision to leave my ex husband, I had ridden that roller coaster for a couple years there too but I realized, okay, this ride is, I’m stuck at the bottom here too. And I don’t want to say, please, no, listeners, not every story and major life change in my life happens with being stuck at the bottom of the roller coaster. I’ve had amazing experiences that happened after sustained periods of the top, I just want to make that clear. I see also and I apologize if you already discussed this one, but the 44-26 is also connected. So what is that one?

John Cole: I’m glad you asked, I was wanting to get to that one. This is an interesting channel along with the 40-37. The 26-44 is a tribal activation. These are both two tribal channels that go with the three collective channels I had mentioned earlier. And this is about using your will, your ego to transmit something to the tribe, to a community, to an audience. 44 is called the gate of alertness, or coming to meet originally I’Ching, and this is an instinctive know for people, how to deliver or transmit something to an audience to the other. This channel, the 26-44 is called the channel of surrender, a design of a transmitter. And if you kind of take that into context of being a manifester and having an impact on the world, part of your impact is going to be through what you’re transmitting, what you’re sharing through your voice and what you’re doing in the world. And also, being able to transmit a message, or a product, or a service, or an idea, that’s kind of a key idea or key concept for the 26-44 since it’s tribal. The theme about the tribal channels are about support, there’s a supportive quality to this, like a recognition that a particular audience needs some type of support, or wants something, or that can be benefited through a transmission and you have the capacity to do that, and you’re here to do that. And in here, to start those things, and to have–

Kim Sutton: You know what’s huge here is how it all plays together even in this part. I mean, I do marketing automation for people and I do have this podcast. I have social media handles on the big platforms. But what has never worked for me is doing it how other people told me I should do it. That goes back to the earlier, me resisting what other people tell me to do. What has worked for me really well is going about my own, like learning on my own, experiencing on my own and sharing it in my own way. And if I had followed what all the gurus said, I tried once, I started in 2016. Yeah, I just had to think back in 2016. I was recording a course because I was told to and because I saw all these other experts out there doing courses like it. I sounded like the teacher in Ferris Bueller’s Day Off. It was absolutely miserable for me. And quite literally, I think I’ve manifested this, I love seeing how it’s all pulling together. The day I finished recording and editing those first batch of videos, it was on Facebook pages. Facebook, redesigned their interface for business pages, so everything I had just finished doing was ready to release was now obsolete. I was like, the heck with this? I’m not doing it again, I don’t enjoy it. I know pending, right? I mean, so I don’t do that anymore. Yeah, you can tell me what I should do. But if I don’t feel it, I’m not gonna do it.

John Cole: What you just said, I mean, your manifesting potential is based on feeling emotion. The solar plexus, the reason that you are a manifester, according to this discharge in Human Design is because you have the emotional energy and system hooked up to the throat, the center for action doing and having an impact on the world. You’re exactly right, if the feeling isn’t correct, or you’re not clear on it, or you’re not there in your process, then it’s not going to be right for you. The other thing that I think you’re touching on, which is really good is that you’re here to do it your way, you’re not here to do it in someone else’s way. I mean, we’re all here to be ourselves and to express our own uniqueness. But as I was saying before, there’s really something about the manifester aura that is here, not to be influenced by others, it’s about you finding your own voice. I find that a lot of manifesters have a certain power in their voice when they really tap into themselves and they start living as themselves. Carries this either quality of transmission or impact through the voice, not just through the actions, but through the literal voice, which is the throat, and you’ve got a very powerful design for that. So if you’re trying to follow someone else’s template, basically a script that worked for someone else as opposed to finding out what is correct for you, it works for you, it’s not going to be as powerful, it’s not going to have the impact, I don’t think it’s going to work as well.

Kim Sutton: You’re totally right. I mean, I actually got a comment on a YouTube Live, but a month and a half ago where I had been following a script that someone had told me to use for doing this video. And then there was a non scripted video that ended up playing for this person immediately after she watched the first one. She flat out told me: “I couldn’t even finish watching the first one. This one is so much better because I can tell that you were talking from your heart.” I know you were trying Yoda, I do or do not. Or try your, I don’t know, there is no try, that’s what I’m trying to say. But she says: “I know you were trying to feel natural, but don’t even try that way anymore.” I didn’t even know this person, but she could feel it off of me. John, I don’t think we really talked about my husband when we talk the first time. Do you know how I met him?

John Cole: No.

Kim Sutton: I was getting ready to leave my first husband, I know that I may offend some listeners here, and sorry but not sorry, it was not a safe relationship for me or my boys. I had already lined up an apartment. I was in my office and I was looking for furniture on Craigslist. My office was outside the home and I had a TV down there. I was watching the bucket list, and that was the first time I ever watched it and I decided to take a spin off the bucket list and make a soulmate spec sheet. It had 56 or something items on it of what I wanted in my mate if I were to ever date again. Okay, so I’m on Craigslist, literally three weeks later looking for furniture and I was just so frustrated, I saw this little link that said, men looking for women. And I only went on this link or clicked the link to go laugh. I’m going to say exactly what went through my head to laugh at assholes in there. My husband was the second link I clicked on, and he had all but three of the soulmate spec sheet qualities.

John Cole: Wow. Again, I think that kind of points back to what we were touching on earlier about the power of a manifester. The thing which I kind of mentioned in the very beginning was there’s a lot of talk about manifestation out there and that’s something we can all do, we can all manifest. But the conditions in which each individual can manifest, they vary, they can be different, but it’s this design, this 10% of the population that has that potential within themselves that once you come to clarity, or you want something to happen, it’s almost magical, it happens. I think you were probably getting out earlier, like, be careful what you wish for, be careful what you want because it may just well happen and you’re going to have that experience or go through that experience.

Kim Sutton: I’ve had to be really careful. I mean, we moved into the house that we now own, we were renting to own it. We told ourselves, our families complete, we don’t need it any bigger. Be careful what you put out there, because then we heard, Oh, you’re pregnant with twins. Just be careful what you put out there. I mean, I think we even joke, hahaha, what if we got pregnant again? Don’t joke about it, just don’t. If you’re a manifester, don’t joke about it because you will find out.

John Cole: It does seem like that. When we were talking about the voice earlier, there’s another channel that is defining your throat. Your throat represents the voice in the body graph, this 11-56 channel, this is called the channel of curiosity, the design of a searcher. This is about the experience of seeking the experience of curiosity and sharing your ideas, sharing the things that you see, your beliefs with others as stories. You have this very experiential design that is about going through an experiential process. This third line over here on the design side sun, this is an experimental body, this represents a frequency that your physical form your body or your vehicle that’s taking you through life, it goes through this very experiential process. And it’s about kind of just going through life, trying things, seeing what works, seeing what doesn’t, bumping into things, adapting and learning from that experience. I would say there’s a certain continuity with that idea. This design that I’m talking about here with these three channels where as you go through life and you have these experiences, you’re kind of, again, learning, growing, adapting, they’re here to be shared, they’re here to be shared through your speaking through your voice, through stories, that gate 56 is the gate of stimulation. So this is a kind of a storyteller voice that elicits an emotional response in the listener that kind of stimulates them or causes them to feel something. And when you kind of put it all together, you can start getting a picture of the impact that you’re here to have in this world. It’s really interesting for me to look at from this point of view from the mechanics, and then the stories that you’re already telling and sharing with me seem to be an example of that.

Kim Sutton: Absolutely. Okay, I want to go through a couple others from the rave property definition, single definition.

John Cole: Single definition means that all of your centers are connected together in one configuration–

Kim Sutton: Yeah, I can see that.

John Cole: And you will also, if you’re looking at different types of charts, you’ll see split definitions where there are two groups of centers. Triple splits where there’s three groups of centers. And even quad splits which are very rare, you have four groups of centers. So when you have a single definition design, it means that there’s a sense of kind of self containment in that within yourself. You kind of have everything you need within yourself to process things internally. You’re not waiting to have an experience from the outside or something coming to you in order for you to connect the dots. It’s your own process that’s kind of self contained and internal, where if you had a split definition, there would be perhaps this greater sense that you need someone else to complete you or something’s missing within yourself, and the split definition doesn’t seem to have that.

Kim Sutton: Very interesting. And then profile says six, three. And I know that you’ve already talked about the personality side, I have six. And on the design side, I have the threes. And looking down both those sides, I see there’s a lot of like more success than any other number on the personality side. And on the design side, there’s more threes than any other number. Is that where those come from?

John Cole: The profile is coming from the line activations of the sun, on the personality and the design side. And when you look at all of the planets within the chart, the sun carries the most weight, it’s about 70% of the influence of the planets. So when we look at the line activations of the sun, we’re really looking at something that’s called profile. And what that represents is kind of the clothes that we’re here to wear in life, or the style that we’re here to go through life with. It tells us a little bit about our role out and the whole and the totality. The six are called the role models. It’s a very unique line in the hexagram because it’s the only line that goes through a distinct three part process in life. The other lines don’t seem to follow that three part process. I’ll describe it quickly, it’s the first third of the life from, let’s say, zero to 28-29 which is around the time of the Saturn return. The six isn’t really operating as a six yet, it’s not really a role model, it’s still developing it’s experiences. And the six is operating more as a three, as I mentioned that you have the three on the design side. The three is this experiential experimental trial and error approach to things where it’s about going out there and trying it on, seeing what works and what doesn’t work. During that first third of your life from zero to 28-29, you would have been a double three. All about the experience, all about what you learned, even mistakes. Sometimes six line profiles feel like the first part of life was really messy, or really difficult.

Kim Sutton: I guess.

John Cole: It’s true, it often is. But the thing about the six is to realize that it was a necessary part of a much longer storyline or arc over the life. And without that first 30 years of experience, you wouldn’t be where you were today. What happens at around 28-29 is it’s almost like the six is ready to become the six. You start becoming who you actually are, you start getting a sense of your purpose, your own inner sense of authority, you start developing, kind of regaining a sense of optimism about life. And the second phase of life for the six line profile goes from 28-29 to about 49-50, the time where the car on return, that in between stage is said to be, when the six goes on the roof. And the six kind of starts pulling back relative to where you were in the first part of the life. You start developing your seeing and you objectivity become more outwardly focused. And it’s not like you’re not living life, or doing things, or having an impact on the world, life continues. But what it’s all leading towards is 49-50, when that six is said to come off the roof, like in other words kind of come down from its perch, from its objective viewpoint that it’s been watching things and re-emerged fully in life. Now, that may sound kind of odd or funny. Right now if you feel like, Well, hey, life is happening and I’m here. But from the point of view of this knowledge, it’s saying, yes, and there’s more coming. It’s almost like life begins at 50 for the six line profile. Whatever is happening now is still leading towards the third part of life. What I’ve seen with a lot of six lines, when they come off the roof is that there’s this greater sense of purpose or like, okay, now I understand why, what this life is about, and why I’m here, and what it all means. Now, let’s really get to work.

Kim Sutton: Wow. Listeners and John, please pardon the dog. She’s barking, fighting kids in the next room. I just want to understand one more thing, let’s look at the very top, what is the very top, the yellow triangle at the top.

John Cole: That’s the head center–

Kim Sutton: So somebody else’s could be very different numbers, does the number, just high versus low in a number, does that mean anything, or is it just where the lines connect?

John Cole: Yeah, it’s just that particular hexagram, like one out of 64, you’ve got 64 different numbers in the body graph and 64 will always be in this position. 61 always in the same position, 63 in the same position, but like you’re saying, different people are going to have different ones colored in or not. You could have a head center that’s not yellow, it could be white completely open.

Kim Sutton: Now I see it like, I can see one, two. Okay, I see one in the very center. So one and then two strictly below it, like in the area. Then I see three down below that. I was just thinking that that was like my measurement for that, but thank you for explaining that. I was feeling like, Okay, I’m insufficient. I’m here, yeah, but if that’s where it always is., that makes a lot of sense.

John Cole: Yeah. This brings up another good point to make, which is one of the beautiful things about a system like Human Design is. You’ll begin to see that there is really no right or wrong, good or bad. It’s like it’s not good if you have this color, bad if you don’t have this colored in. It’s just describing the underlying mechanics. This is the way the energy is set into a certain pattern for this lifetime. With the idea of being like, this is who you are and what you’re here to express. It really becomes more a question of accepting oneself and living from that place and not trying to be different than you are. It’s more about being the best version of oneself, what does it really mean for me to have an impact on the world? What is my impact? Am I clear about the impact I’m having? Can I share it? Can I be a part of something larger than myself? Can I transmit what I want to transmit? I would say removes the blame or any sense of right, wrong, good or better judgment from the equation and we can start accepting ourselves more as who and what we are, we can accept the others in our life that way and you realize that a lot of it’s just, no one’s wrong, it’s not personal so that’s where I go with it. And yeah, sometimes people will look at a chart and say, well, this chart has more things colored, is that good or bad? Because some charts are very white, very open, there’s not a lot of definition. Like mine, for example. I’ve got seven centers open and only two colored in, but there is no real good or bad, right or wrong. It’s just saying that this is the life I’m here to have, and I might as well do it because no one else can live my life for me.

Kim Sutton: Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Well, John, I can’t thank you enough. Because even that 41 and finally feeling like I know what I’m supposed to be doing, I feel like this was okay. I don’t want to say the word that most people are the words that most people say, the final nail in the coffin. I want to say that this was the final nail that solidified that I’m on the right track, so thank you so much. As I already said, I was still skeptical. I was very skeptical, but now like, I am so excited. My husband’s gonna have to listen to this because now I’m curious what this is all about. But where can listeners go if they want to order and work with you, order their own Human Design chart and work with you to find out more? I don’t feel like I said that–

John Cole: I do I understand. So my website is called metamorphichumandesign.com. I’ll spell it out real quick, M-E-T-A-M-O-R-P-H-I-C-H-U-M-A-N-D-E-S-I-G-N.C-O-M. I have information about Human Design up there. And if you were interested in booking a session, you can do that there. You can also contact me through the contact form there, I’d be happy to speak with you. And then if you’d like to just go and put your birthday on, you can run a free chart on Jovian Archive, that’s J-O-V-I-A-N-A-R-C-H-I-V-E.C-O-M, they have a free chart generator. There’s a lot of free information on Human Design on the internet, just type it up and you’ll see all sorts of stuff. Again, I’m happy to answer any questions or speak with anyone. If I could just leave you with one thing that I want to make sure I cover about your design, it’s something called strategy. Each type, like the manifester type, as an energy type has a specific strategy, and the manifester strategy is to inform. And what that means is that when you’re clear on the impact that you want to have, like what you want to do, the experience that you want to have, what you want to say, you’re aware that there may be an impact, this may affect someone or it’s going to be received by someone. 

The strategy of informing is really about, you could call it like a courtesy call or just kind of giving people advance notice of what you’re doing so that they can either decide whether they want to be a part of it, how they want to handle it, or maybe they can sign on and they end up being the ones who want to be part of helping you sustain something or build something. And what it does is it removes the resistance, because there’s something about the manifester aura that comes up often where it can kind of put people on their heels a little bit or they don’t, they know that they can’t control the manifester, the manifester is going to do what they want so they get a little bit kind of wary or nervous. And the informing kind of reduces that resistance or that sense of like, okay, I don’t know what they’re going to do. It’s not like you have to ask for permission, it’s more saying, Hey, I’m just telling you, this is what I’m doing. And you can experiment without like, like with your husband or your family and just kind of play around with and say, what if I tell them in advance what I’m going to do or what’s getting ready to happen and see how it goes, see if there’s less resistance, and then what ends up happening is, it’s not on the roof properties, but the manifester signature is that piece and it’s like peace to live your life as yourself without interference, peace to be you to implement or to follow your own vision, and you’ll see that these, the not-self theme of anger just doesn’t become as common or prevalent, it is neutralized in a way through the informing and that would be something to experiment with.

Kim Sutton: I’ve already been experimenting, not even realizing. I need to figure out how to show my camera for a quick second. Can you see this, my 2020 goal?

John Cole: I can see it.

Kim Sutton: Okay. I created this in the midst of quarantine, I think I created it in May. This top one says, record my Pinterest for podcasters course and launch it by August 31. Well, I told for the first time I put it out there, the actual date, because I had been talking about this course since February of 2019. Never put a date on, never informed people when I was going to do it, I just talked about it but I never really decided and held myself to it. But the moment that I had it down here, and then it kept on circling back and I was gonna push it off. And then all of a sudden I was in an event in early August without even remembering even though it was sitting right here. I informed my group during that event that I’m going to have it done by August 31, I’m launching it. On August 30, I wanted to, I woke up on August 31 and I said, nope, I’ve got to finish it. And then I looked over and there it was on the board, because I don’t look over here very often. I look here even when I’m working, I look this way, I’m like holy moly, and I call my husband and I’m like, fuck, I wrote it down earlier this year. Now, I do want listeners to know, as John already talked about, I’m good at starting. And if you’ve been listening for four years, you gotta let me know. I’ve been talking about this book, chronic idea disorder, look at that John, chronic idea disorder, it’s right there. I’ve been talking about writing this book for years since I launched the podcast. I never announced, that date says September 2, I never announced the date. We’re past September 2, listeners, and the first draft is nowhere near completed. Nowhere near, but the next thing down., okay, no, that’s not happening either. I put out another one that I said, my community actually, I want to launch that. I’ve already put it out there when I’m doing it, and it’s going to happen. But it’s the informing and the deciding.

John Cole: Yeah. The informing allows people to either get out of the way or get on board, that’s kind of what it comes down to. But yeah, it’s been great to talk to you today. I really appreciate the opportunity to explore some of this with you, it’s been a lot of fun.

Kim Sutton: Well, thank you as well. And listeners, if you were listening to this whole thing, and didn’t see it, again, head on over to thekimsutton.com/pp677, and you can go to YouTube and see what my actual chart looks like. Also on pp677, you’ll find John’s links. With your permission, John, I’d actually like to put this on my chart or like embedded in the show notes as well. So yeah, you’ll have John’s links because I want your mind to be blown as much as mine has been. I mean, this has been huge for me, I can’t wait until my husband listens to it. Let me know what you thought about this episode, I want to hear what your type is after you get your chart created. I also want you to know that I did go to the Jovian Archive and pull my original chart. I can’t believe these kids, they’re just fighting non stop and the dog doesn’t like it, but that’s where I went and got my original one and I couldn’t make heads or tails of it, DON’T FEEL BAD, that’s why John does what he does to help make it simple. So go talk to him. JOHN, do you have a parting piece of advice or a golden nugget that you can leave the listeners and the viewers today?

John Cole: I would say, love yourself. Self love and acceptance is really the foundation of all of this. Living as oneself and operating in a way that you know that’s true and correct for you is probably the simplest way I could put it. It’s complex as Human Design is in a system like this, I think that’s what it all leads back to. That’s what I would offer.

Kim Sutton: That’s amazing. Thank you so much again, John.

John Cole: Thank you. It’s been great. I really enjoyed it.