PP 694: Have You Found The “Unmute” Button Yet? with Marie White

 “Hope can bring to light a lot of things that you have deep inside you. If you can keep that hope alive and feed it daily with something wonderful, you will find out that your avenues for growth are huge and available to you all over the place.” -Marie White

“You’re on mute.” -We hear that often on our zoom meetings. But today, we will talk about being “mute” in the business setting. In order to survive, we let our society force us to conform to a norm, which does not fully resonate with us. Many have muted their own story- the very reason they started their business- in order to survive. In this episode, Kim and author Marie White discuss why you should share your voice, and how you can keep sharing it in this modern world. Also, listen to tips and information you can use to protect yourself, your business, and your network even if the web decides to “de-platform” you. The call to go back to real conversations has never been more urgent. Find your voice and move forward with hope with today’s conversation. 

01:54 Keep the Hope
04:33 On Mute
08:09 Platform Troubles
16:07 Be Careful What You Google
20:16 Back to Conversations
26:22 Protect Yourself
28:19 Be Comfortable with Sharing Your Voice  
33:33 What Hope Can Bring

Has your social media account been taken down or your website hacked? Tune in as @thekimsutton and @MarieWritesBook shares how you can protect yourself and your business. Keep the hope and share your voice! #positiveproductivity#podcast #hope #deplatform #web #SocialMedia #network #shareyourvoice Click To Tweet

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Inspirational Quotes:

08:18 “As a business owner, it’s not that you’re doing something that someone’s going to remove you for. It’s the fact that somebody could at any point.”  -Marie White

13:21 “We’re going backward in a good way. Instead of depending on larger organizations, we’re starting to find things that we can do so that we have more control.”  -Marie White

16:07 “Building a wide network of people and doing things more old fashioned way would be the best way we can do right now.”  -Marie White

21:48 “Even amazing technological advances can make other things obsolete. So, it’s always good to diversify.” -Marie White

33:40 “Hope can bring to light a lot of things that you have deep inside of you. If you can keep that hope alive and feed it daily with something wonderful, you will find out that your avenues for growth are huge and available to you all over the place.” -Marie White

About Marie White:


Marie was born to write, but it would take one horrific event to send her into full-time writing. When her youngest child was taken, her world turned upside down. Grieving with her husband and older children, she wondered how God could allow this to happen. Yet in the sea of pain, her family witnessed God’s unending love and purpose. 


Kim Sutton: I am so happy to have you here joining us on the Positive Productivity Podcast. I’m so happy to introduce you, or reintroduce you. If you’ve been with me for a while, to Marie White, I cannot believe that it’s almost been three and a half years since Marie was here for the first time, Episode 202, which you can find in the show notes for this episode. But in the first episode of having Marie here, we were talking about her journey with God, her journey as a publisher, her journey with a child who had been abducted. And I’m so happy to say that since that first episode, her child has been returned to her. But when we reconnected just in the last couple weeks, we were sharing struggles that we’ve been experiencing, sharing our voice. So this episode is for you, if you feel like you are being muted sometimes. But Marie, I am so happy to have you back. I feel like it’s been a lifetime. Well, it has been a lifetime considering how much has happened for both of us. But welcome back.

Marie White: Thank you, Kim. I’m so glad to be here. There should be an applause track in the background. Yeah.

Kim Sutton: Oh, my gosh. Yes. And I’ve been on Clubhouse, so I keep on finding myself wanting to flash my mic for all of you, Clubhouse users, you probably understand that that’s our way of showing applause. I found myself doing it, just I don’t know how that would sound on Zoom, and I’m not ready to test it. But for people who may not have listened to the first episode, would you mind giving a brief introduction to you? And then we’ll jump right into the muting of our voices.

Marie White: Absolutely. Well, I’m so glad to be on with you Kim. As always, it’s just a joy. We met years ago, and you had me on your show because I wrote a book called, Strength for Parents of Missing Children. And that’s because our toddler had been abducted. It was, the pain and the feeling of not being able to breathe and not be able to just survive life. And yet, making it through that. And out of that, out of the ashes really just rising up as a family and finding a way to continue on while not giving up hope has really been our story and our journey. And after four and a half years without our youngest child, our child was returned to us safely.

Kim Sutton: I got goosebumps. I want you to know, this is going to be the first time that I’ve shared with Marie, that I’ve listened to the episode numerous times about keeping hope. Because there was so much going on in our life when you and I recorded that first episode. And even for a good while afterwards that I just needed to remember to keep hope, because we didn’t know how it was all going to turn out. And then also, what really inspired me was keeping my eyes on God instead of on my wallet, and on influencers, and on all those shiny objects out there, which can easily distract us. So thank you.

Marie White: Oh, my goodness, that brings tears to my eyes.

Kim Sutton: I don’t think we often think about just how much people need to hear hope. And to jump right into today’s episode, that was something that really struck me in the last couple years. And I’m not going to name names, but somebody told me that my story had no place in my business.

Marie White: Ah, oh, my goodness, you’re stepping off point. That’s what makes you work hard, what makes you build your business, what gives you your why. Your story is so important.

Kim Sutton: Mm hmm. And then even past that, I felt like I couldn’t share my face because I didn’t want to be muted or kicked off platforms. I couldn’t share my views on anything. And without getting into details, listeners, I want you to appreciate the message of this episode and not necessarily dig too deep into the context. Because regardless of what your stance on any issue in your life, or that could be affecting the world right now, your voice matters. And what I found, Maria and I were chatting about this, we didn’t know how to share a voice. We felt a little bit stifled. Do you want to address that a little bit?

Marie White: Well, I think it’s really interesting that you were thinking the same thing because I started posting about it, and just kind of saying what other options are there. Because a lot of us have taken the easy route. We have said, okay, we have social media, we have these amazing platforms and we built our businesses on this rented space. Which means, at any point, a landlord can get mad at you and kick you out. And we’ve now seen that happen to so many people. I actually posted about it on Millennial Entrepreneurs, which I am a Millennial, a Millennial Entrepreneurs Group, and kind of just said, what kinds of things are out there? What exactly could we be doing so that we’re not so dependent on, there’s a couple of social media platforms or even multiple ones. And the feedback that I got was amazing. People were coming up with basically turning our current system of getting the word out about our businesses, gaining clients and staying in contact with them. Turning it backward and going, we need to go back to almost like the PennySaver days where you’d get an Ad in the PennySaver. That was in a laundromat, we’re not ready to go all the way back there. But we need to diversify.

Kim Sutton: I just wanted to go back to the beginning of what you said, because you said that you’re not a millennial, because I’m not going to ask you how old you are. But apparently, I’m a millennial, which surprises the heck out of me because, well, okay, I’m just gonna put it out there, my birth years 1979. But I don’t feel like I can relate to either generation. Okay, let me just put it that way. I don’t feel like I can relate to either. I’m sort of just stuck in the middle, and trying to figure it all out. My son, by the way, he’s 15 right now, my second son. And I’ve heard so many times this week, you need to be on Tik Tok sharing your story. Well, I have avoided Tik Tok for various reasons. The first being that my son told me, I was not allowed to join since he is on their MySpace. For all the parents out there, I acknowledge the fact that we need to be aware of what our children are doing on social media. But I am free to take his phone whenever I need to and view what he’s doing. Look at his pictures, look at his text messages. And trust me, when I say that that is vitally important, you need to keep an eye on what your kids are doing. I won’t say any more than that, because I don’t want to embarrass that kid. But I didn’t want to get into another social platform because I ran out of faith for the ability to share my story.

Marie White: Yes. When somebody asked me, well, you must have really controversial content, or a controversial business if you’re afraid of your business being taken down off of there. And I said: “No, actually, there’s a grandmother on Twitter whose account was taken down and she posted only Bible verses.” So if you can take down a grandmother on Twitter because she posts Bible verses, then it doesn’t matter if you’re selling vacuum cleaners or oranges. If somebody wants to take you off, they’ll take you off.

Kim Sutton: Yeah, they could simply say that vacuum cleaners offend me.

Marie White: Yeah.

Kim Sutton: And then every review board gets involved. And all of a sudden, gone. Welcome to Positive Productivity, where Marie was nice enough to remove her dog from the office. But I didn’t even realize that my dog was here. She’s rubbing all over the carpet and making all these noxious noises. But with that said, I mean, somebody could go into Apple Podcast right now and say that there were foul noises in the background of this podcast, you need to remove this–

Marie White: Yeah, bad quality. We need to remember for quality purposes, this is not good enough, become arbitrary. And that’s really scary. As a business owner, it’s not that you’re doing something that someone’s going to remove you for. It’s the fact that somebody could, at any point, and we need to make sure that our aides are not all in the same basket. So diversification has never been more important than now. It’s actually something that, as business owners, we all should be doing. But we’ve invested our time and effort into building up these social media platforms, our presence there and our audience there. And a lot of times, we have our clients that might have a Facebook group, or even something like that. So we don’t want to go off of those, and we want to continue to focus on something that’s really profitable. And instead, what we’re doing right now is we’re actually creating a monopoly that could, at any point, take away all of our business.

Kim Sutton: We were so excited about this idea, but we hadn’t really fleshed out exactly where we are gonna go with it. So I’m just gonna jump in piggybacking on a couple things that you just said. Yes, we can’t be building our business on Facebook or on Twitter, like so many people do. I’ve seen so many people whose pages were taken down off of Facebook for whatever reason, or their account was shut down for whatever reason, but they had built their whole business off of their Facebook page. And immediately, it’s like, even though it’s not me, I consider myself to be empathetic in a good way or bad way. However, you want to look at it, and it feels like a knife in my heart. I’m just like, oh, I don’t even know that. But shortly, after we met the first time, my website was hacked out within a week of that first event. I flew home from that first event and my website was down. I didn’t have backups because my server was full. So from a Tech perspective, I want to say, first, get people to connect with you off of social, get them onto your email list, get them over to your website. But it’s so important that we constantly be downloading the customer files or our website, like getting backups that aren’t just through the web server themselves. I can’t believe this dog is still making all these noises. She hasn’t done this in days. Because you’re an email service provider, I mean, I use Infusionsoft. They could decide, I’ve never heard of them doing this, but they could decide, we don’t want to work with you anymore.

Marie White: Yes.

Kim Sutton: We’re just going to close you out of your account. Well, you know what? I haven’t been doing this, I just need to put it out there. I haven’t been doing a regular backup, like downloading a CSV of my contacts. So I’m going to put that in my calendar for today. Because my web host, shout out to WP Engine, because they do daily backups. I haven’t been doing my own download of a backup. Bad idea. And we’ve seen that on social media lately where a big platform, I’m just gonna leave them unnamed, but I know you know what I’m talking about, all of a sudden, the whole platform disappeared.

Marie White: Yep. And then on the news today was just a thing about Bank of America, and how they’re looking at people’s purchases and making decisions about what they’re going to do with their accounts. That’s really scary.

Kim Sutton: Are you kidding me?

Marie White: No. We had a, I don’t remember his name, and you can look it up. There was some sort of NFL player or something. And he mentioned his personal opinions in a car insurance company, he had his insurance took it away. At the point that we’re at, and these people may not have anything to do with us. We’re not saying, this is my best friend, this happened to us. But we can see it as we’re looking on social media that there are people being deplatformed. And while that isn’t something that you and I are going to have to deal with, because we’re not putting anything out there that people would need to deplatform us for, knowing that it’s available, knowing that people could do that. There are lots of people that have their platform taken down by accident.

Kim Sutton: Don’t think for a second that I haven’t thought about how Google can see everywhere that I go.

Marie White: Yes.

Kim Sutton: Just based on what news, or my look at, or what influencers I follow, oh, my gosh, are they just going to decide that my YouTube channel has to be taken down because they don’t like what news I’m reading?

Marie White: Absolutely. And people are getting ostracized for things that they like on Twitter just by clicking that they like something. People are saying those likes and going, Oh, they like so and so. And that person is known for saying this or doing this. It might have just been a silly cat video that you thought was cute and don’t even realize who it was from.

Kim Sutton: So what do you think we should be doing about this? Let me ask you that on two different fronts. What should we be doing for ourselves? And what do you think we should be doing for the public, as a whole?

Marie White: I’ve heard a couple of things on this. One of the talks that you really hear a lot about right now is that people are trying to build a parallel economy. So there are different strains that people can use, depending on what it is that they sell, or what it is that they do. That’s really great. But things that are down the line, as those things are presented, you can make those choices. As it is right now, we’re actually at a time when I think we’re going backward in a good way. You notice things, like people are starting to grow their own food, they’re starting to do a lot of stuff themselves, they’re learning about how to use essential oils and things like that to cure things that might be going on in their bodies. We’re actually going backwards instead of depending on larger organizations, we’re starting to find things that we can do, very small, so that we have more control of it. So basically, you want to buy your own real estate in the world of what you’re selling. So we were talking about being on social media. If that’s something that you’re afraid could be taken down, then let’s go ahead and branch out more to your local chamber of commerce. And maybe you’re doing more local things so that you can go ahead and get the word out there.

Kim Sutton: Oh, my gosh, that’s huge. My husband was watching one of his people that he watches. And they were using a popular on demand service to sell their t-shirts. Somebody ordered one of his t-shirts and it was delivered, and it was all wrong. It turned out that somebody within the print on demand company had actually changed the shirt. But in the meantime, the customer took pictures of it and it got posted to all of social media. To follow up on what you were just saying, this provides a great opportunity for me to support the local screen printing companies rather than go to one of these big shops. Yes, it means that I might have to carry a little bit of inventory, but they’re also local, so I could just give them a call.

Marie White: And we haven’t done it.

Kim Sutton: And just say, Hey, I just got an order, can you print one of those out for me? But it’s keeping it in the local economy, which especially, or anywhere right now, all local economies could benefit from that, in person or sales.

Marie White: It’s the stuff we should have been doing all along, and it just was more effort in the beginning. So it’s something that we haven’t done, but it’s actually something that’s making a comeback, and I think that could really help to diversify our businesses so that we’re not stuck if something like that happens. If something accidentally happens and someone pulls down your page on Facebook, you don’t have to worry about that all being gone while you go through the process of contacting them and getting it all worked out. You can know that, Oh, well, that’s okay. I’m active in other places, I have an email list, I’m able to reach my customers, I’m able to reach my groups. So those kinds of things are really important. At the same time, I’m trying to be very careful in what we say so that we don’t call it [inaudible]. Just building a wide network of people and doing things the old fashioned way, I guess, would be the best way we can do right now. But it doesn’t mean that we have to stop with our social media, it doesn’t mean that we have to stop with all technology. One of the responses I got on the millennial group was, do you know what year it is? Because I said I wanted to do something off of social media, so I wasn’t so dependent. And people had some great ideas, and we’re actually in the author world. I’m a director of publishing for Zamiz Press. So we do funny things. Okay, authors look up things like, how to kill somebody. We do that on purpose because we’re writing a murder mystery, and we don’t know how to kill somebody. But if someone like you said is looking up our Google search, that’s gonna look terrible.

Kim Sutton: I am laughing over here. I was muted, so you can’t hear me, but I’m finally getting around to writing that book that I’ve put off for seven years. I’ve been googling all sorts of ridiculous things just to get more details. I haven’t Googled how to kill anybody, just put that out there.

Marie White: That’s not your self, find your memoir.

Kim Sutton: I mean, it’s probably a good thing that I’ve stopped putting transcriptions on the show notes.

Marie White: Oh, my gosh. Yeah. It’s hard to make anybody a target, even when you’re not really a target of anything. It can mean there can be mistakes and errors. There are turns of phrases that we all use. Oh, my gosh, you said that. That’s so funny. It’s killing me. Okay, now, is that going to pop up as something inappropriate? No, it’s just a phrase. But these are things that are happening now. It just means that we need to be aware. It needs to be, like you said, we need to backup everything, we need to make sure we have alternative ways of generating income. Because if that’s where all your businesses are from, from Instagram and they take down your Instagram page, you have nothing.

Kim Sutton: I’ve noticed that a lot of social can begin a conversation. But I can stop the conversation too, because text is read differently. Texts can be read differently by so many different people. One person can read humor out of written text and see the author smiling while they’re writing it. And another person, well, I’ve been told that I have dry humor, which I had to Google to understand what’s happening. But somebody might not understand that it’s tongue in cheek, so they might think I’m actually serious in the sarcasm. And then the conversation just ends. And that’s why, to you listener who’s tired of me talking about Clubhouse, let me just say, I resisted because I was so tired of my posts being misinterpreted. And I didn’t want to go to the Clubhouse. I didn’t want another social platform where I would be misinterpreted, or people would assume whatever saying, and now even want to know more and not even want to get into the conversation. And that I guess, what I’m hearing about your posts on Millennial Entrepreneurs, get back to the conversation, I think that’s where a lot of us have forgotten to go. It’s back to the conversation.

Marie White: Yeah. And it was amazing too, the ideas people came up with. One doctor responded, he said that there’s several of us on there that are not millennials, but they welcome everybody. He said there that he actually was talking about, in the book publishing world, how would you continue to grow the exposure of your business if something were to happen to social media? So he said that he actually gets, I think it’s a psychologist, something like that. He actually gets publishing houses that sent him books, because he’s got such a large audience himself. And these are amazing connections that never would have happened if I had not asked this question. So I would encourage business owners to go ahead and put that out there, and kind of talk with their audience about it. It is something that people are interested in? And they might come up with some great ideas for your business that you haven’t thought of.

Kim Sutton: We’re also having this conversation in a really interesting time, not to date status. But whereas a lot more in person conversations would be happening in years past, we’re stuck in the home.

Marie White: Mm hmm. Somebody posted on that same post and said, do you realize where this post is, like, I get the irony of this post, I understand. I’m asking on social media how to use something besides social media. You and I are talking on a podcast, which would be on our phones. And at any point, like you said, Apple or somebody could take something down, somebody could, whatever could happen with things. Even good things, even really amazing technological advances can make other things obsolete. So it’s just always good to diversify.

Kim Sutton: I’m so hung up on that bank, I’m just gonna not name them again, for fear that they hear it and find a way to bank it down. But I had never even thought about, wow, banks doing away with customers, because of where they were purchasing from, and it’s not like they would have, I’m just gonna put it out there, it’s not even necessarily that the customer was buying porn, or–

Marie White: No, that’s acceptable.

Kim Sutton: Right. Or buying bullets for their gun, because they have a permit to carry. Just because they decided to go to a religious bookstore to support their favorite political candidate, and bang, you’re done.

Marie White: Yeah. I mean, a $10 donation to somebody that really is enthused about the cause, or that you really support, you want to encourage somebody who’s candidacy for Mayor or for whatever, even senator or something like that, that could be your undoing. And we have no idea where the line is drawn. What will happen in the future with that. So it’s become a time where you really just have to watch everything that you do, and that’s very unfortunate. I hope people will continue to stand up and not allow that to happen by making their voices heard and just saying, hey, this is not okay. I don’t like that you’re banning these people, or that you’ve done this thing to whatever social media platform is enacting those kinds of rules. So many people on YouTube are just losing their accounts, and that’s a huge part of my business.

Kim Sutton: Do you think anybody actually does know where those lines are drawn?

Marie White: No, I think it’s arbitrary.

Kim Sutton: Whatever somebody is feeling on a particular day, they could have gotten into a fight with their spouse or significant other the night before and decided they didn’t want to support somebody whose beliefs were possibly in alignment with a significant other. So today, they’re gone. I see the wicked witch of the West here a little bit.

Marie White: Yes, that’s a hard place for a business to live in because you can lose your livelihood, if that’s all you depend on. So that’s really what you and I want to encourage people to do is to think about other ways so you’re not so dependent on that.

Kim Sutton: Absolutely. I remember from our first conversation, you and I are both Christian, but you and I both support many things that are not necessarily looked out, or looked at as Christian.

Marie White: Mm hmm.

Kim Sutton: I love, pretty much everybody, unless somebody does me wrong. And I mean, really wrong. I still love them. And you might say that that’s not Christian. I hear you, I’m working on it. Okay, I forgive him, but I haven’t forgotten. Maybe that’s just a way of putting it. But regardless of sexual preference, sexual orientation, race. Races doesn’t have anything to do with Christian, I just need to put that in there. I can talk to anybody, but the moment that somebody tells me that my beliefs or my values aren’t valid, that’s where I have a problem because I consider the beliefs and values, anybody that belonged to anybody else to be valid. I can have conversations with anybody civilly, civilly to talk to them about what their beliefs are, and maybe have a better understanding of where they’re coming from. I’m not going to tell them that their beliefs and values are wrong. Just as I would hope that they don’t tell me that minor wrong. But I believe that we all have a right to put it out there without getting banned.

Marie White: Yep. And that’s where we’re at. We’re at the point where you and I will just say believe, and whatever people want to do as long as they’re not hurting somebody, we’re not going to say anything. And then you’ve got other people saying, it doesn’t matter if all you’re doing is putting Bible verses up on Twitter. We’re going to take down your account, we don’t like to see them. Even though we don’t follow you, we’re going to take down your account. And you’re just going, how can it not be that each of us allows the other person to contain to live their life?

Kim Sutton: So with the same happen for Roomie, I can’t imagine if they just decided, we’re gonna take down this account because they have Roomie quotes going out.

Marie White: I don’t know. And really, we’re not seeing that. I do see the double standard there.

Kim Sutton: I mean, it could be happening as far as you and I know it could be happening, because somebody might have found a fence to it.

Marie White: Yes.

Kim Sutton: But it’s like, Hello? Where’s the governing board for this? I guess what we’re saying here is protect yourself because we don’t know where the governing board is. We have an email list, download it, put it in your calendar just like you do balancing your checkbook once a week. Download whatever assets you have, and make sure that you will be able to pick them up and move them to another platform should you need to. But I’m here to support your voice. Marie’s here to support your voice.

Marie White: Absolutely.

Kim Sutton: I just want to put it out there. I’d love to hear what you, our listener, but I’m trying to address just one of you right now thinks about this. So make sure that you head on over to the website at thekimsutton.com or the show notes. I’m just so excited. I’m forgetting what I’m trying to say. Head on over to the show notes, thekimsutton.com/podcast, and drop your comments down below and let us know what you’re seeing. What is your whole thought about all this experience that all voices deserve to be shared? And I personally think they do. But I know that you might disagree. I don’t even know that I want to go there because, okay, I’m just gonna put it out there. Because it’s not like you can say, I know what I’m thinking but then I’m not going to share with you. I don’t think there’s a place for hate and discrimination. I just don’t think that there’s a place out there for it.

Marie White: Absolutely.

Kim Sutton: But by me sharing my religious views, I don’t think that’s a place of hate. I think that’s just sharing what my beliefs are. It’s not saying that I hate other religious views at all, because that’s about as far from the truth as I could possibly go.

Marie White: Absolutely.

Kim Sutton: What did you have to get over, or did you have anything to get over before you really felt comfortable sharing your voice before all this really started happening and the shutdowns?

Marie White: Mm hmm. I think it was just a matter of what’s the priority. I felt like there were some things that I needed to share that were just too important to worry about censure.

Kim Sutton: Yeah.

Marie White: I was very vocal for a long time. And right now, as we’re each reevaluating and trying to figure out how to navigate this new world of extreme political correctness, where it doesn’t seem like there’s two sides to every story, it seems like whoever owns the platform, you on their side is the only side. And that’s kind of scary. So yeah, just determining what was important. And if your business is supremely important, which our businesses are, then you have to make different choices. You have to decide, well, on this platform, maybe I’m not going to be so vocal. And that’s unfortunate.

Kim Sutton: If you thought at all back to your days as a child, and maybe the newspaper that your parents may have gotten and wondered, was it biased?

Marie White: Yes.

Kim Sutton: Because I’d never thought about it until just recently.

Marie White: Yes. What was the main something about if you’ve been lied to recently through the media. Then imagine how much lying was happening when you didn’t know about it? And that’s a little scary.

Kim Sutton: It is a little scary.

Marie White: It makes me reevaluate a lot of things, including the history that I know, the modern history. As I look at each of the people within the last 40, 50 years, I wonder how much of what I know about those people is accurate.

Kim Sutton: Right. And as parents, do you ever look at what your kids are learning in school and reflect back on what you learned and see, like the stark differences?

Marie White: Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Well, I think this whole past year has helped all parents to kind of reevaluate that, which is great. That’s why I’m saying that some things were happening, things where we thought they were really bad could actually be a new beginning.

Kim Sutton: Absolutely. Could you tell listeners a little bit more about, and I want to make sure I’m saying it right, Assamese Press?

Marie White: Yes, Assamese Press. We are publishing with integrity. It’s basically the kind of publisher that I wished had existed before Zamiz Press was formed. It’s just allowing people, business owners, influencers and just regular people with a great story to tell, to share their story and work with a publisher that helps you to do that. But you don’t have to worry about being taken advantage of, or being steered in the wrong direction. You actually get somebody to mentor you and help you. And you get an above industry standard quality product to be able to share your message.

Kim Sutton: Thank you for what you do. And thank you for all the hope you inspired me without even knowing. It shouldn’t have taken three years to get back in touch with you, but thank you for, yeah, thank you just for your never ending hope, and making me realize that keeping hope is like the best thing when times are the darkest. Maybe that’s what we all just need to have right now. That someday, the barriers will come off and we can all share our voices again without worries about being taken down.

Marie White: Yes. And all the wonderful people right now that are coming up with ways for us to do that. I can’t wait to see it.

Kim Sutton: Absolutely. Well, Maria, I want to thank you for coming back again. I look forward to many more conversations. I want to invite you back on the podcast again when we figure out what next great messages that we want to share. But in the meantime, where can listeners connect with you online and get to know more?

Marie White: You can connect with me at mariewhiteauthor.com or zamizpress.com, which is Z-A-M-I-Z-P-R-E-S-S.C-O-M. And I would love to hear from you.

Kim Sutton: Oh, my gosh, I’m cracking up over here, Zamiz, did you know that I’m creating another brand?

Marie White: I did not. Are you not creating something?

Kim Sutton: I’ve gotten a lot more under control since I’ve gotten my chronic idea disorder under control. So right now, I have two things. Well, three things. I have my main business, I have the book that I’m finally writing, chronic idea disorder. But my third thing is actually zommy.me, Z-O-M-M-Y, it’s zombie mommies, and it’s the snarky side of motherhood.

Marie White: Oh, my goodness. I love it. I will subscribe. I will watch. I will be on that website day and night.

Kim Sutton: Thank you. Yeah. So when I saw Z-A-M-I-Z, it didn’t even occur to me that it was ZAMIZ, I’m used to looking at my own zombie all the time.

Marie White: Oh, my goodness. This is a divine appointment.

Kim Sutton: It definitely is. Yes. I would love to end the episode with a parting piece of advice or a golden nugget that you believe will serve the audience today.

Marie White: Wow. Okay. Wait, just throw that at me, Kim. Thanks a lot.

Kim Sutton: You’re welcome, the zombie curveball.

Marie White: Luckily, you and I are used to it, we can do this. I would think that it would be like you said hope. I think hope can really bring to light a lot of things that you have deep inside of you. There’s a hope for a brighter future, hope for a better tomorrow, hope for a better country , hope for a better life, a better family, a better marriage, a better business. And if you can keep that hope alive and just feed it daily with something wonderful, then I think you will find out that your avenues for growth are huge and available to you all over the place.